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No. 394903
>>394895>an anon in /snow/ said that there was plenty of butch threads on /g/ but as a long time lurker in this board there wasn't. There is
>>273185Learn to ctrl+f.
No. 395043
>>395029I pretend to grow out of my tomboy phase but I still have gnc interests/hobbies, how do I know if I want to try out dressing as a butch?
Btw I’m a lesbian.
No. 395058
>>394891I only see masc used to specify bi masculine women vs lesbian masculine women. If someone self describes as masc as a lesbian I assume they're trying too hard and going for the stud/"fuckboy" type look.
>>394894Being butch doesn't come with a set dating preference. If you're insecure about dating butches because of bisexuality you can look for other masc bi women as well, but they are fairly rare.
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>>394894>>395058>masc bi women are rarePain. I wish I had a masc bi gf I could share my hobby of dressing up in vintage men's wear with.
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I wish I could be butch but I'm short and have feminine features. the only time i could almost pull it off was when i was 18 bmi but even then people just mistook me for a young kid. Ever since I gained some weight my body looks really bad in masculine clothes.
>>395067I love butch women like this and like my picrel. They look so cool.
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>>395460lmao this post made someone upset
No. 395567
>>395561How short are you? You could try looking into vintage fashion from 1920s-1930s. Back then, it was in vogue to design men's clothes to create the illusion of an hourglass shape, so for example pants tend to be very wide at the thighs and also very high-waisted, which leaves room for the hips. I find them actually more comfortable than women's dress pants that are usually made of shitty thin fabric and also weirdly low-cut and form-fitting. People were shorter on the average that then, too, so finding small men's clothes is not impossible. Hell, you could try to find something fitted for a teenage moid, because back then even kids were dressed in nice clothes.
>>395560Weak getting mad like this. Also if you know anything about clothes you'll know that the differences in the way men's and women's clothes are cut are not limited to anatomical necessities, but that clothes designed for women tend to be tighter, smaller, and more overtly feminine. Compare a tuxedo and a "women's" tuxedo, they are not the same design-wise at all.
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>>395561If you like 40s casual style you can pull the look even with a pear or hourglass figure. The silhouettes of that era allow you to look good with any body type because heavier bottoms fit nicely in those pants and leaner or more rectangular women also look as good. If you have small shoulders you may want to look for shirts with shoulderpads, they're usually easy to thrift (sewing the pads doesn't look too complicated either) and those will compensate your figure. As for the shoe complaints, if your feet are really small you can buy schoolboy shoes, designs are commonly very outdated and can easily pass for vintage shoes. They're mostly made in leather and neutral tones so they're good for casual or even formal occasions.
No. 395590
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i truly can't think of a hotter strain of human being than a butch woman
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No. 395592
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mickey and jessica, hot ocs by hamletmachine
No. 395593
What's the difference between masc and butch to you.
>>395058 isn't really right about it being used by bi women. I see people using it as a more "tomboy" or softer look I guess instead of wanting to look like
>>395569 No. 395602
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>>395460One of the key aspects of being butch is not giving a fuck, Just cut your hair short and get clothes that you want to get. Worrying too much about how people see you to the point where it stops you from being who you want to be is gendiethink. Godspeed anon.
>>395592Hamletmachine is living the life by just drawing better than average porn comics and making that her full time job. Mickey and Jessica are so cute and I hope she makes more butch characters in the future. Picrel is her designs of poison ivy and harley quinn and it awoke something in me kek.
>>395593I've seen masc be used in so many contexts its meaningless to me. Hyperfeminine tifs consider themselves masc because they're nlogs. Zoomer lesbians call themselves masc and they typically have longer hair but have a fuckboy style.
No. 395610
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>Opinion on the terms butch? Masc?
Do any other younger lesbians feel more comfortable using the term Masc rather than Butch when describing yourself?
I'm very masculine, both in the way that I choose to present myself and my personality/Interests, so much so that I identified as FtM when I was a teenager (and have since then peaked), but the label "butch" has always feels very restrictive to me.
Since it's an old label with a lot of history I feel like there are a lot of requisits and fashion specifics that must be met before allowing yourself to call yourself a Butch, meanwhile with 'masc' you just need to be masculine(in whatever meaning there is to that word) and call it a day.
There's also an aesthetic difference that's hard to put into words, picrel.
Idk, I feel like most people will find this retarded, that's why I wanna see if there's anyone else experiencing the same thing.
No. 395611
>>395569This is usually the sillhouette I end up going for and it works pretty well! Thank you for the tip.
>>395560omg lol i did not think people would get
triggered about that. maybe theyre seething just like me
>>395610I'm gen z and I agree with you. Butch seems to me like a certain style of masc.
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>>395593I definitely don't think there's a unified real difference like 'one is softer' and people just choose the word that they think sounds cool in their age group/region/culture. I feel like masc leans younger and cooler in 2024. Butch also attracts the people who mythologize butch/femme culture and lesbian history a little more. When I say there's no defined difference, it's like…
>>395602>I've seen masc be used in so many contexts its meaningless to meThis is right but it's also completely true about butch for some reason
>>395610I agree the girl on the left looks more likely to call herself masc by a huge margin but I think the right could go either way
No. 395622
>>395567Literally get a job and save up money to get some clothes tailored. Or, he'll, learn to do it yourself.
>Oh noooo I'm simply too hourglass and big hipped to dress masc!Is a weak, retarded mindset. If having big breasts and thighs prevents a woman from dressing masc she was never really masc to begin with.
And this post
>>395460 makes me think she feels like she looks too much like the "unattractive" fat butch when she dresses masculinely kek. "It only looked right when I was at an 18 bmi" like what does that mean? Looks right to who? Men? Topkek. I feel like there's a lot of fear of being perceived as an overweight, doughy butch woman itt for some reason. A lot of nonnies itt think that only women born with small hips and long legs have the privilege of dressing masc/butch. Like, if you're short and kind of doughy you'll never look like the model-thin, model-height masc model of your dreams. Ever. Nowadays masculine cuts are popular for women's clothes. Like it doesn't have to be this complicated and hard kekkkk.
No. 395624
>>395610I'm a zoomer and started calling myself butch some years ago, when I could finally get a haircut and buy clothes without parents hounding me lol. But before that I spent years wishing I could be butch(I was dangerously close to id'ing as ftm too kek, but tifs and their friends harassing me scared me out of it).
Honestly I don't pay close attention to this stuff and only started realizing months ago masc was a lesbian identity and not just a general descriptor. I still call myself butch because it feels right to me. I guess I worry occasionally if I don't count as butch to other people(not for any real reason, I just sometimes hear what people love about butches and realize I'm such a wimp kek), but I prefer it over masc. Masc feels a bit general for me I guess? I guess it's like if someone called me sapphic/wlw/queer instead of lesbian.
But that's just what I think. I've noticed a stark difference between the people getting called masc and the people getting called butch, which may also be why I feel more comfortable with "butch".
No. 395647
>>395610Masc and butch are both
valid imo. I'm an old lesbian who definitely identifies as masc, despite being a 90s kid and living through real lesbian culture. I think masc is an umbrella term for any lesbian woman. That's just my opinion
No. 395656
>>395625Butch/masc here and I think it's whatever works for her, done well. Whether she's the suit wearing type, the youthful alt type, sporty, whatever. Just like anyone else's style you can do you in the best way you can. Intentionally fitting clothes (well fit, yes but if your style is baggy and street you can do that badly or you can do that well regardless of anyone liking your personal style), being clean, smelling good and having confidence in what you're wearing is not yourself. I find people expemplifying themselves to be one of the most attractive traits so even if I'm not into a woman's style (I'm married and not butch 4 butch but I wouldn't rule it out at all) her being confident and putting effort into herself is what's going to attract me and make me find that appealing on her. I feel the same about myself. I wear what I feel good in, accentuates the features I like about myself and that I like.
Individually it depends on taste. Some women like the dapper suit wearing butches, some like the greaser types some like the preppy almost fratboy types. It's finding who likes what you're doing.
No. 395666
>>395639It's kind of a retarded mindset to think only thin and angular women can wear masculine clothes. I will forever think a woman is weak for being so scared of not look "attractive" in masculine clothes even though they say they want to wear masculine clothes kek. First, not trying hard enough. Second, it's such a feminine sort of personality trait to hem amd haw over looking
too masculine, or masculine in an unattractive way while wearing masculine clothes. Something tells me these anons don't want to come off looking like a bulldyke. They want to be masculine in an almost fantastical way, in a way that says "I'm a
cool masculine woman with a natural boyish femininity, I actively chose to be masculine", which just feels like a feminine sort of fashion trend thing and not, IDK, because they truly want to dress masculinely. Like basically just saying only "pretty" girls can be masculine in the right way. Like truly if you care that much about coming across as the right sort of masculine woman to the people around you, you're kind of weak.
No. 395668
>>395666>basically just saying only "pretty" girls can be masculine in the right way.Literally not saying any of that (I tend to like women with pretty unconventional looking faces, for example, I love a gummy smile) only saying I personally prefer a slim figure as my personal preference, and personally, as my personal preference, don’t like the opposite. Sorry to say. I didn’t even realize I liked masc women for many years because they were all bulldyke types, as you say, and that’s not attractive to me in the slightest. Once I saw some actually elegant looking women dressing in nice men’s formal clothes it finally clicked for me. Again, me personally. So because I don’t have the body type I think (personally, in a personal way) looks good in those clothes, I don’t dress in them because I’m unsatisfied with how the clothes look on me. It’s that simple.
No. 395683
Kek, meanwhile I don't call myself butch because, despite wearing men's clothes, I look baby faced and have long hair. The pic on the left
>>395610 that anon posted is an ok example. Still trying to find a hair style that fits my face and thin af hair
No. 395801
>>395793Two words, anon: CARGO PANTS!
They are the answer to all the world's problems.
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>>395793Phone and money clip in jacket pocket if wearing one. If not, my phone is usually in my bag. Wallet in trouser pocket, keys kept in picrel either in my other trouser pocket if dressed smart or hung off a loop if casual.
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>>395793jacket when it's cold, messenger bag when I'm going to uni and a fanny pack when it's hot outside and I'm not taking many things w/ me.
I don't like putting all my things in my pants since it severely bulks up my hips and makes me look weird/disproportional.
No. 395873
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>>395866I like fanny packs that are small and thin so they fit tight to my body, some out there are very bulky or straight up backpacks and purses which defeat the purpose imo.
I don't have it with me atm so I looked online and picrel is the closest match I could find. I always wear mine diagonally across the shoulders so this specific shape is more practical helps things stay upright.
I honestly recommend it, it's also a lot safer if you're moving a lot through sketchy zones.
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>>395666How is it weak be attracted to women and to want women to be attracted to you? Yes I want to look good lmao I don't want to look like a TIF or like such a "masculine bulldyke" that it makes other women not attracted to me.
>it's such a feminine sort of personality trait to hem amd haw over looking too masculine, or masculine in an unattractive way while wearing masculine clothesSorry I actually like women and enjoy feminine personality traits instead of thinking im superior for not caring about how i look lol
>>395667>try to dissolve as much of that male appealing mindset as possiblenobody in this thread has posted a "bulldyke". All of these women are tall, fit, and attractive. It's not a male appealing mindset, its just a common observation that SSA women are attracted to tall, slim butches like picrel. Women who are tall and slim have an easier time fitting into butch looks and are more attractive to other women. idk why this was so controversial. Ganging up over such a mundane comment is stupid and makes me think you're projecting.
No. 395917
>>395885ntayrt
>You'll always look like a doughy bulldyke in men's clothes and no bihet woman will ever find you hashtag woman crush wednesday material.why are the only two options in your head "REAL woman-lover who likes bulldykes" and "FAKE bihet who only pretends to enjoy stylish and thin masculine women" kek. the cope is so real
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Anyone here butch4butch? It seems to be very rare nowadays but was more popular with gen x lesbians. I'm butch4butch and recently got out of a breakup, I'm coping horribly but I still prefer being single.
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I would date her, if I’m honest.
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>>395926Adulthood equals femininity to these people. Youthfulness that isn't mediated by artificial tricks or a petite lolita girlie aesthetic makes them uncomfortable, even if it isn't about LARPing emo boys from the 2000s
>>395874I agree, i'd look way better if i wasn't short with a hourglass figure, but like the other nona pointed out, tailoring helps a lot. I'm a bulldyke and 'british schoolboy' swag defender and all but there's a reason why skinny/edgy mascs are so popular.
The most attractive butches i've seen were very well put (regardless of their build), had well maintained hairstyles, a good understanding of menswear. This concern is not just 'girly' (?? Who cares kek), in fact these women were masculine in speech and behavior, and so obviously lesbian that it has exactly the intended effect (attracting female eyes). I'm more of a 'slovenly, wears cargo shorts and t-shirt' woman myself kek but i appreciate elegant butches.
>>395873Fanny packs are so good, women should be freed from Big Handbag and shoulder bags. I can't stand the feeling of a bag swinging around my body
No. 395940
>>395930I'd
love to be with some qt masc but in my generation they are so extremely rare it's depressing. The only ones around are either normies I have nothing in common w/ or TIFs with bad hygiene and obnoxious personalities.
No. 395968
>>395593I'm the one that posted about the bi women thing. It's not exclusive to them, but I find they're more likely to claim it. I think many young women are like
>>395610 and find butchness too prescriptive or restrictive and prefer the all-encompassing vagueness/freedom of masc. I think many women that have been surrounded by trans acceptance also expect butches to just be classic FTM-lite in a sense which just puts even more women off identifying with it.
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>>395987I know this is a performative trend among Tumblr and Twitter gendies but
nonnie…
No. 396002
>>395666Based take,
nonny. I'm a straight out goblin who wears technical sportswear because I prioritize practicality and comfort and I've never had a shortage of women crushing on me or complimenting my style because I'm confident about who I am, and I know how to put outfits together with what I have. It's dumb as fuck to be so worried over looking "too much like a bulldyke" and obsessing over looking "too masculine" or "not masculine enough", the people who will give you shit for it wouldn't like you no matter what you looked like.
>I will forever think a woman is weak for being so scared of not look "attractive" in masculine clothes even though they say they want to wear masculine clothes kek.>They want to be masculine in an almost fantastical way, in a way that says "I'm a cool masculine woman with a natural boyish femininity, I actively chose to be masculine", which just feels like a feminine sort of fashion trend thing and not, IDK, because they truly want to dress masculinely. This, I agree completely. Some people want to be butch in looks, but lack the confidence to pull it off. They either need to let go of that paranoia over how people perceive them as a woman or accept that they should be looking into another label they feel more comfortable with.
No. 396007
>>396002 “I personally don’t like they way masculine clothes fit on my body type” is such a normal, nothingburger statement and yet a couple of anons continuously lose their absolute minds over it and start insulting people for what is a very common sentiment among all types of people— “I’d like to dress in XYZ style, but I don’t feel that it fits my frame. Bummer!”
The only other types of people I’ve seen try to moralize and chastise people for that sentiment are thrift store bargain bin chaotic mashup style gendies who take issue with people thinking anyone looks bad in anything, ever. You know the type.
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>>395998Carabineers ares great, I do find it cringe when people wear them empty as a fashion accessory
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>>395987AYRT and yeah they're stupidly expensive tbh. Mine was gifted to me along with the matching wallet from there and as good as they are, I would not pay for them myself kek. You can get decently priced alternatives like picrel or rely on ol' faithful
>>395989 though. Personally I still love the jingly carabiner when I'm dressed casual. I'm butch4butch and there's something very sexy about a blue collar butch with a carabiner.
>>396074Do bears shit in the woods?
No. 396223
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Okay nonas how do I butchmaxx? I've been butch/gnc my whole life but I feel like I've been very laissez-faire about it. I don't have an actual style, I just wear loose jeans or joggers, graphic tees, hoodies, sneakers (like vans or adidas), etc. Picrel is pretty accurate. When I want to dress up I wear nice jeans and a button up or a sweater and the effect is always 'little boy at church' for some reason. I want to look like a proper adult, not my boy cousins in 2014. I don't want to be wearing office wear every day but even something like what
>>396002 mentioned with her tech sportswear would be cool. Does anyone have any tips? I don't know where to look for style inspo.
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>>396223I looksmaxxed/butchmaxxed primarily by using the "old money" look. My old style was basically what you posted and although I had a few suits for work/fancy events, I still felt "meh" day-to-day; I had very little confidence. What I love about old money is that despite the name you can quite easily do it on a budget as it's based around classic, easily available pieces of clothing. It can also suit different body types; you can go with the baggy shirts and jumpers/cardigans if you're on the bigger or skinnier side and if you've been working out then polo shirts are fantastic for showing off in. I wear stuff like picrel a lot and I feel great in it. There's a bunch of YouTube videos on the style, I recommend starting there and then looking at pictures of old movie stars, the "classic Hollywood" types: Paul Newman, Sean Connery, those kinda guys. You gotta get a good haircut though, that's a non-negotiable part. Work out your face shape and then google recommended haircuts for it. I shot myself in the foot for so many years by having a trash haircut. Anyway, this might not be your cup of tea, but it worked wonders for me. Godspeed, nona.
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>>396223If you want clothes inspo then Pinterest is the best option you have.
Dressing better and finding a style is just a matter of seeing what you like and would enjoy wearing, if you don't know what you want then it's going to be hard getting it.
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>>396429I'm villianmaxxing atm, look out in the streets and you might find me smoking a cigarette while filling a crossword puzzle
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>>396223I was "blessed" with a fridge shaped body so I mostly wear male street wear like baggy pants, oversized t-shirts, hoodies, layers etc. Picrel is very similar to the look I usually go for, but you always have to thread the thin line of coming across like an adult instead of a 14-year old fuckboy. I get compliments on my style all the time and get told that it's refreshing to see a woman be the way I am so I must be doing something right. Just took a lot of awkwardly put together outfits before I got there. Like the other anon said, a good haircut is also vital in pulling off any style.
>>396300>>396302Seconding pinterest, it's a great tool to figure out what pieces work together and get inspiration for outfits. I've also found some interesting vendors via pins, so it really does its job as a resource.
No. 396478
>>396476AYRT, I feel this a lot. I drink with my moid friends sometimes but as you said, a scrote is still a scrote. They're people I've known for a decade so they're all very well aware that they don't have a chance with me so I don't have to deal with them catching feelings and I'm very obviously a lesbian to the point even their girlfriends don't get jealous
if anything they find me attractive kek but it's not the same as having women to share moments like that with. I'm one step away from just creating my own imaginary friends or something.
>I'm actually quite health obsessed, but I genuinely just love smoking.Same. I take care of myself otherwise, but I just can't quit smoking. I've cut down on it, but completely ridding my life of it seems like an impossible task. It's too relaxing and satisfying, I don't know what could ever replace it. I've considered just getting a vape but I don't know if it would be any better of a choice.
No. 396568
>>396478I don't mean to overstep any boundaries here, but nona, do NOT vape. Maybe it's just me but that shit turned me into a crackhead, I ended up vaping more than I smoked. It's too easy to blaze through cartridges without really taking in how much nicotine it is. I fared much better rationing myself three cigarettes a day, then two, then only smoking them when stressed and having my one or two weekly cigars as a treat. Bonus effect: my wife thinks it's sexy when I smoke a cigar. Her phone background is me looking like a genderbent Andrew Tate kek. I get it though, seeing a confident butch smoke makes my brain short circuit too.
>>396530Praying we all find like-minded friends. Moids and feminine women just don't get it sometimes. A butch needs her pack.
No. 396689
>>394895I use masc because I am bi. I dont really identify with the word, I only use to describe myself on the internet since Im esl. My language only has derogatory words for masculine women. (Except the word for "tomboy" but that sounds like a young girl not grown woman.)
Also, dont be discouraged to dress the way you want because of your body type. I have seem some hot shorter/curvier masculine women. I admire how shorter limbs often looks stronger compared to the long noodles I got kek.
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>>396223If you want look more mature instead of little boy, here are some tips on how I dress boring for my soulless office job:
>button ups in colors like gray, light blue, beige, no pattern or a very small one>dress pants or straight cut black jeans>sweaters and cardigans in colors like black, navy, dark green, again not much patterns or details>leather shoes>i like everything slightly oversized but not too baggyPic rel is sort of what I mean. I dont wear ties except to formal events. On my casual looks I like to also include more colorful button ups with big patterns, sleeveless graphic t shirts, baggyer jeans, cargo shorts, leather jacket etc.
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>>396275>>396300>>396302>>396694Thank you anons, your advice is very appreciated. I think I want to aim for what
>>396462 mentioned. It looks similar to what I already wear and I'm afraid if I go for too big of a change I'll feel like I'm larping (I also just really hate formal wear). I think if I put more effort into finding and cultivating good pieces I could pull off a thrift bin moid sort of look. I already have some nice vintage shirts and shoes and my favorite current outfits look like picrel. I'm also gonna go through my wardrobe and get rid of anything that looks too much like a teenage boy would wear it.
I'll admit though I really don't know what the hell to do with my hair. I've got a pretty strong bone structure so I look best when you can see my forehead. My go-to has been a basic buzzcut or a short taper but it's boring as hell and I feel like it makes me look like I'm not trying. When I was younger I usually had an undercut or the dicaprio center part thing and I looked good but I wouldn't wear either style now lol.
>>396759Nta but anon you're a genius