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No. 368628
Feel free to discuss and rant about:
>Instances of sexism in your favorite video games.>Instances of sexism in video games you don't like.>Sexism in the videogame industry.>Sexism within the emulation scene.>Videogames that are advertised as only for girls or only for boys.>Specific videogame developers and publishers.>Specific sexist videogame developers/emulator developers. >Differences between how women view sexism in videogames v.s. how men see sexism in videogames generally.>How your society views women and girls into playing and/or developing videogames.…and much more.
Videogames on consoles, emulators, computers and mobile devices are all welcome to be in this thread.
Please keep transgender sperging to a minimum. It is likely to derail the thread.
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>>>/m/259351 No. 368629
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>>368510It's clear as day these things are made with certain biases and intentions in mind. It's not that it just contributes badly to how men view women, it's that men's pre-existing misogyny makes its way into these games and the games clearly reflect that. The game you posted is a prime example. There's 5 female costumes in the new vindictus game, 3 of which are coombait, 2 of which are modest, only one is of a heavier armor type. Meanwhile the male counterpart (the one that's on the actual promo of the game interestingly enough) has three almost identical outfits, where he's burqa tier covered in heavy armor and you can't even see his face. Vindictus and other coomer korean mmos actually have a pretty even gender distribution from my experience when playing them. Women like pretty female characters that koreans put out, aside from the coom they can make nice, elegant and classy outfits here and there and that's what I generally noticed actual female players put on their characters (unless they're in the game to just erp). Yet somehow, these games mostly cater to men. You don't need studies to notice this.
I will say vindictus would cater to their female audience with a few sexy male outfits too, but it's breadrcrumbs compared to what the male players get.
No. 368636
>>368634Because the men that make these big titty fertility goddess waifus are the same men that get offended if they see a finger pinching motion in their near vicinity. They want their women docile and dick hungry, and they'll get real women fired for it in real life. They're so fragile they can't even handle men being presented in the same way, as seen from the example posted in the last thread with that one final fantasy twink. If you've played korean mmos in the past you'd notice that they're slowly regressing when it comes to the general gender equality of fanservice which is just a reflection of korean society becoming more and more hostile to women becoming feminist.
I don't think games that are rated 18+ like vindictus will massively contribute to male radicalization against women, but they serve as a good mirror into their fragile egos. You seem to be more interested in baiting than having an actual discussion though so I'll leave it here.
No. 368688
>>368634Nobody should be forced to be part of the game devs jerking off material, if they want to make porny shit, they should do a porn game. Moids are more than capable of presenting diverse characters without turning them into sexual objects, why can't women want to be seen like that as well? So many women, including itt, have spoken out how uncomfortable they are to this double standard, wouldn't that be a reason by itself? What's the point of moids complaining few women play games when every games is clearly telling "you can stay, but you are not our audience". All that by itself should be enough of a reason. I personally always hated this, it's never equally applied to male characters. I don't personally want it to be applied to male characters, but the imbalance sends a clear message of what they see women as. I wonder why do you need studies on such a basic concept to grasp, maybe because some terms were parroted during the years, but seeing women as sexual objects is a very bad thing with plenty of studies on that. Look up how porn affects you brain. Why do men need this sexual gratification in most of their games? Is it because their brains are all rotted from porn? I heard the justification of this for years, "sex sells", but is it really sex as a whole being sold? It's not. It's male fantasy porn with no regards to the woman's interest. They don't want the men in their games to be sexual objects or appealing to women. I remember growing up, how many moids hated Leon and Raiden, because how dared some male character be pretty, to the point they always have to turn the pretty boys into depressed men with stubbles or fuck them up like ctyborg raiden to become "relatable" to salty moids. So if you are not convinced sexualization of these female characters is a bad thing, then why is it bad when it's applied to male characters in a way that appeals to women and not men. Do you think Fifa would sell if it was the equivalent of a waifu game? Imagine all the soccer players as beautiful husbandos making sexual panting sounds. Would that be something moids would like and endorse and "look past the sexual parts to enjoy the gameplay"? Why do we need to constantly do this in almost every single game?
No. 368824
>>368822so you cant? then stop pretendind we live in some magical world where female sexualization is an extremely rare thing.
>>368823literally how is pointing out that most female characters in videogames are sexualized a fetish?
No. 368832
>>368830this isnt the thread for this, do you guys not read the OP?
>>368829>No I can’t name a female character as ugly as Kratos, that doesn’t mean “most games” have fanservice. yes it does. It proves women in videogames can't exist unless they are pleasing to the player, meanwhile are allowed to be bald, fat, disgusting and completly non-sexualized. The most popular female mc in videogames are all turbo sexualized. And even when companies try to make ''diverse'' fmc they still don't make them as ugly and unsexualized as the men like in Overwatch.
No. 368834
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also, speaking of overwatch. Ashe is supposed to be a year older than mcree, but yet she looks like her daughter. Dont get me started on how her skin tight outfit accentuates her figure, compared to mccree who has a poncho.
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>>368834the fact in the animated short they didn't even give ashe any pores while mccree did.
No. 368837
>>368832If your definition of fanservice/sexualization is a female character that’s not as ugly as kratos then yeah I guess. That’s still leaving out tons of games that don’t have characters, have completely abstract representations of characters or have completely neutral representations of both.
>>368832I think there’s worse issues than this one honestly, one of them being that women just give up before even trying anything more niche or complicated because of the culture around it.
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also, ana is supposed to be 60yo yet has less wrinkles than most of the male characters who are 30 years younger. Moids think this is still too much btw and call overwatch a ''woke feminazi'' game even though it has the same amount of female sexualization, if not more, than coomer moid pandering garbage like korean mmos. If overwatch is considered a ''woke feminazi game with ugly female characters'' then you will imagine how the average game treats its female characters.
No. 368840
>>368832But like yeah everybody knows this shit already. Blizzard has been doing it since Starcraft and Warcraft.
They're never going to change, and you're not going to change the male players minds either so it's just best to try and ignore it for your own sanity.
No. 368855
>>368854considering you gave those two games as examples i dont think you know what non sexualized means.
>>368853stardew valley is the second most played game on steam and it has been criticized several times for having ugly male love interests meanwhile the female ones are just pretty samefaced girls
No. 368872
>>368868all of my male friends play games yet none of them plays rts, they play normie gay shit like Dota2 and LOL. It's like you don't realize RTS are extremely niche and autistic and even most men don't play them.
>Sorry I don’t think the way to do that is to dangle anime boys in front of their facesI will give this example again since you seem to ignore points that contradict you. Shmups used to be considered a dead arcade genre until it got a resurgence thanks to doujin shmups like touhou. Most people that play shmups nowdays got into it thanks to touhou, even women, because guess what? having attractive characters instead of autistic scifi battleships is more appealing to the casual gamer.
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>>368872I know but I don’t care about moids!! And what they do!! I don’t want more moid friends lol. I have one moid in my group that plays the same games I do. I’m also not a dev or anything but I think people in general should be more willing to step outside their comfort zone. I’ve also barely played touhou but doesn’t the gameplay look like picrel? How often do you see the characters?
No. 368881
>>368877then idk introduce your female friends to RTS games. What the fuck are we supposed to do about women not playing autistic niche games that even most men dont want to play lol
>How often do you see the characters?most people play touhou because they see fanart of the characters and get curious about the lore
No. 368886
>>368881I mean yeah I didn’t come in here asking for advice, just expressing a sentiment. I think women have a bit of learned helplessness with technology in general. A lot of them seem to think the feds will find them if they torrent.
>>368881Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.
No. 368888
>>368882ok then whats the issue? also women do play more games that either have no sexualization or have male sexualization(hades, FF, TLOZ, RE).
>>368886>Fair, but then you could just release touhou VNs that would fulfill the same function, it’s not really about the gameplay.i am sorry anon i dont care if i catch a ban but you are actually fucking retarded. I dont know how many times i have to explain it to you, but making something more appealing will get casuals to try your game. People decide try touhou despite not liking shmups because they get drawn in by either the characters, the lore, or the music. If touhou was a generic battleship shmup or a VN it wouldn't have had the same impact in people. It's just a perfect mix of things that attract casuals and engaging gameplay that makes it the go to for casual gamers that want to play shmups.
No. 368900
>>368888I don't know what the problem is. If I had to guess it's a mix of not knowing about it, feeling intimidated, or not willing to try new things. There is also of course the main point that the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine. I realise my perspective is sort of unorthodox even among gamers. I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving. Also I guess my dream would be to find a group to play Diplomacy with.
To your second point though that's just it- that's great if people want to do that and revive dead genres and build lore around it and whatever, but to me that's window dressing. So it wouldn't be about the core gameplay anymore. Which is the only reason I play games.
No. 368932
>>368900>the average gamer just plays easy slop, male or female, which is fine.If you understand this then why
>I do find it odd more women aren't into puzzle/strategy/management type games actually because they're non violent problem solving.is this so odd? Most people enjoy narratives and characters, it's not that deep. As a player of niche autistic games myself, I don't see what's so surprising that in a hobby with few women, there are even fewer women in a niche area.
No. 369021
>>368932Most people enjoy narratives over other games and that's why the most popular games on steam aside from outliers like Baldur's gate are all mostly multiplayer ones devoid of story and character development while multiplayer games blow the popularity of single player ones out of the fucking water.
>Valorant>CSGO>Dota>PUBG>Apex Legends>Overwatch>The Finals>GTA online>TF2>That Chinese PVP game etc.The only single player games on the steam charts are Stardew Valley and Baldur's Gate if it's still up there. Most people who play games period are still male. Most males enjoy score whoring hierarchical games that organize your worth by rank and most gamers have the attention spans of gnats and are impressionable apes who will copy whatever the other cool dogs do so developers have acted on this monkey demand along with lootbox gambling culture. Rockstar and Valve in particular learned that they didn't have to make new games if they pivoted to making and upkeeping online slop and appeasing the dog hierarchal order of males biology which lends popularity to super cereal competitive gaming.
No. 369266
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 369276
>>369038I don't think the hierarchy thing is necessarily a bad thing, competition isn't bad per se in games, my point was it resulted from male biology being projected onto pixels, kek. I play some of the games listed on top of the steam charts but multiplayer games topping the charts is not simply just a result of replay value and skill ceiling imo.
Singleplayer games can have prolonged lives like Stardew Valley, every Fallout game, probably The Sims is up there since its a sandbox and there's no market competition for life simulation games, and Baldur's Gate which has at least a hundred hours of content and replay value. Replay value is a factor that results in concurrent popularity but multiplayer games are favored by in large due to the attention seeking behavior of gamers needing validation from others, the short attention span and fickleness of gamers where one class based shooter replaces the next and the next and the tribal hierarchy of most of the moids playing the game. Multiplayer games whether they're PvP or PvE still fulfill that self-validating itch. There's been an uptick of meme streamer games that reflect this change in culture imo and that's why you don't see well crafted linear based story and character driven single player games as much anymore. Moids bitch about how Rockstar hasn't made a GTA game in a decade or any polished linear story based game like L.A Noire but then proceed to rot their brains on GTA online. Though I'd like to see more linear story based games I've been scarred by a lot of recent dogshit that consumers lap up because of the absolute feral demand for games, but it's quantity over quality. Gaming earns more than movies and music combined as a industry but most writing is bad anyways and this isn't something that's specific to games as a medium. Women are handled terribly in almost all game media, there's still the same tired prototypical story tropes that pervade all media, and little subversion. There's fake performative wokeness that infects everything but the same misognyistic tropes rehashed since two decades ago. They're a reflection of reality and the current cultural climate. You're honestly better off making your own game at this point but no one has the attention span for that shit so consumers will always far out weigh demand for games.
No. 370664
>>370657Yeah, they wouldn't care about that game if it didn't have a character like that which….what is even the point? Moids already have the possibility to play and create sexy female characters if they want. It feels like Atomic Heart, just trash that earned money because of lazy coom, play an actual porn game at this point or use coom mods in a decent game kek. Wanting to play X game just because the character looks like a sexy waifu, what absolute fags.
Also as an actual waifufag i will never stop saying how her design sucks, absolute nonsense mess, she could stand in front of a mossy rock and i wouldn't be able to spot her.
No. 370716
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>>370700i care about andersen-san
No. 370722
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>>370718every april fools I pray they do more andersen fanservice, give my hag the panchira he rightfully deserves
No. 370768
>>370761you're being ridiculous
>>370722I've already replied with that silly Metal Gear joke but the quality is really nice, love the uniform, shame that i'm one of those nonas who doesn't like beard and his eyes are a bit too deep set to me but thank you for sharing this moiderino.
No. 370884
>>370775Which designs are you talking about nonna? I'm not really familiar with the games aside from Lobotomy Corp and a bit of Limbus Company. I dropped the series after last years controversy with the Korean moids losing it over the Ishmael ID for the summer event.
I know Angela, Rodion and Faust have pretty large chests but I didn't think much of them since they aren't dressed skimpily.
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>>370775agreed. They look so weird too.
No. 371066
>>370775it's one of the least sexist designs you can see from eastern devs
i dunno what you're smoking, but you just gotta look at what most japanese gacha characters look like and you might come to your senses.
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>>371069That's only true for some of them. In the same way that only a few female characters have a big chest
No. 371090
>>371073Chainsawman had a lesbian orgy as chapter art and female characters (and a trap) in lingerie, plus the groomer dommy mommy Makima shit was overtly sexual from the start. I think the only way you can compare say Limbus characters to Chainsawman ones is that they wear suits/uniforms, but from when I played it and from watching later story cutscenes after the summer event fiasco I can't remember the female characters ever being fetishized.
I don't think anyone's arguing that Project Moon is good after last summer, but compared to the other current popular gacha, Limbus is almost puritan.
No. 371173
>>371066I was actually talking about LoR
Angela/Sayo/Meow/Katriel/Olga
It all made me uncomfortable
No. 372149
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Scrotes are seething over this lesbian Kotaku writer thinking aphrodite's design while criticizing stellerblade. The difference is that scrotes have 0 self control and have to make every woman coombait even when it doesn't make sense. If Hades was an AAA game demeter would be designed to look much younger and would have a revealing design.
Hades has hot male characters in revealing clothing (excluding hepheastus but he is a canon uggo). Something which couldn't be done in the God of War games because scrotes want every man to look like a 40 year old alcoholic divorcees.
No. 373981
>>373954>>373965It looks retarded, like their knees are glued together. It's clear it's supposed to be for modesty reasons but 2 of them aren't even wearing skirts.
BTW watermelons have very little calories so the massive difference in slices doesn't make sense except for manliness and daintiness reasons.
No. 377173
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This is why the hades vs stellar blade comparisons will never be the same. If coomers had their way EVERY female character in a game would have to be sexualized (and young).
Scrotes think if a woman is unattractive they don't have a place in video games, yet the average male videogame protag is an ugly self insert
No. 377179
>>377173Is that animu girl really meant to be Hestia?
That Hades design is great, full of references to coal and grilling. Making her an older, motherly woman also fits.
No. 377231
>>377222The only thing I'd personally get rid of is the white soot (birthmarks?) on her face/chest, because it feels like there's too much going on. The lipstick should be orange instead of white imo. These areminor complaints, though, and it seems fine otherwise. I like the detail where her hoopskirt looks like a brazier. Jen Zee (the lead character designer on Hades) is a million times more talented than whatever pervert designed the generic moeblobs in Danmachi, a shitty harem anime that was popular for like two seconds a decade ago. The only people who still like that shit are the sort of bottom feeding scrotoids who enjoy haremshit.
I think it's interesting that the gods age in the universe of Hades. Like Demeter, Hestia, and Kronos look old-ish, while Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades are middle-aged. Then you have the playable characters and their love interests, who are college age or young adults.
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Also while we're here, Hades II has no shortage of sexy female characters. Just look at Hera!
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>>377232but if you close your eyes…
No. 384173
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we don't live in a time period where women lack money, right? obviously the wage gap exists and women generally make less (?) but they're still getting paid. this should be common knowledge, so: why aren't there more games that pander exclusively to women? male rage aside…
but i actually wonder if male rage even factors into it when games like enstars and twisted wonderland are doing well. are companies just scared women won't have enough $$$ and time to waste on a high budget, exclusive gacha? i'd love something like genshin with nice designs and cute boys as far as the eye can see
No. 384213
>>384210Well, by their own admission most women don’t really play games for the gameplay but
for the characters and fandom which you don’t need to play the game to experience.
No. 384259
>>384195This might apply to the game devs, but I don't think the investors, and the people at the top of the company, really give a shit about the content of the games. The company could be making games about talking genderless toasters and investors would be fine with it so long as the games make them money.
If you convinced them that producing games for women would be more profitable, they'd stop pandering to men in a heartbeat.
No. 384269
>>384259And they're not going to because it's not more profitable as much as this thread hates it.
>"But [gachashit x] makes billions from women! Yuri on ice!"Gachashit will always have titles specifically for women because it is something women pay up for. Merch and laid back character collectors. When the more gameplay-heavy games don't land as well with women, but the borderline gameplayless games do, that gives devs no incentive to add more meaningful gameplay to female targeted games or add more pandering to female players in their gameplay centered games.
No. 384284
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>>384173because every time a game tries to men get pissed and throw temper tantrums
>>384269execpt its been proven that games that appeal to women get more female fans. Like hades, FF, LoZ, Devil may cry, Resident evil. Hell, KoF was saved by fujos.
No. 384345
>>384284>none of the first five series even come close to being more popular with women than menAnd see
>>384213. Women do fluff up fandoms which in turn aids merch sales for these games, but they're less likely to play them for the gameplay. In other words, they're less likely to actually play the games. In gachas too, female players are more likely to spend money on merch than whale in game unlike moids, and they'll buy
anything, whereas moids typically only shell out for figures. And that's with the east asian ultrabuyfag culture in mind, women in the west spend less money on games across the board, leaving western game companies even less incentivized to try appealing to them. As much as I'd love more fanservice that appeals to me in games, if I put myself in the position of a shareholder who only had making money in mind, I would question a company's descision to give a small minority of players an equal amount of pandering to their core audience who is offput by it unless the company planned to merchandise heavily to properly take advantage of it, and even then it's awkward when you think about how that minority would just as happily buy said merch for a game with next to no gameplay.
No. 384440
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>>384436you are talking out of you ass there are more female figures from fate than male ones. This is from the first page of mfc alone. There are 5 guys to 35 girls and astolfo
No. 384453
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>>384451you dont know about the tacky autism armours moids wear for their waifus? they make itabags look elegant
No. 384513
>>384173I think we are starting to see more games that appeal to women with the growth in popularity of "cozy games". The problem is that these games are not able to embrace female sexuality.
It's like developers see women as asexual by default and willing to accept anything as a good love interest. There's always an effort to make sure scrote's love interest appeal to them attractively.
But with women not only might the story be half hearted the designs are basic or downright ugly. There's decades of romcom media out there but game developers pretend that women don't have any standards for what they see as attractive. The new life is strange is a good example of this
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>>384517Agreed the problem with western games is they make male love interests who validate scrotes insecurities rather than pander to women. Stardew Valley is a good example of this
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>>384520the ugly faggot from baldurs gate deserves to be posted
No. 384549
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>>384517Unironically, even those have a good chance of looking better than female love interests.
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>>384549ew shirou, gilgamesh is the real mvp of fate
No. 384558
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>>384520This is why I always download mods to turn the men into kawiwi husbandos. The bachelorettes in sdv are beautiful then we have the most atrocious set of scrotes to pick from:
>Basement-dwelling discord mod>fat retard>the pringles guy>goku >guy that growls into a mic on tiktok for booktok hags>ugly roidpigElliot’s downgrade especially makes me want to alog.
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>>384560okay fatesperg time for bed
(derailing/infight bait) No. 384579
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>>384574its really sad because fate does have some delicious moids but its all ruined because of the coom shit
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>>384588Nta but yeah, kek. Older games are especially terrible about it. I love the witcher franchise but the first game has an atrocious concept where you get a collectible card like picrel every time you have sex with a different npc female.
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>>384592Same. I wasn't too mad at it when I played through it, I just wish we had the option to collect something like picrel for ourselves kek. We need more male sexualization in media.
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>>384560Ironically enough back when fsn was an eroge the female characters actually had really good designs, spare medusa's coomery design but she's a nun compared to modern fate women. Anything past that is shit tho
No. 384653
>>384607>MedusaI personally never found her design to be too bad in the VN at least, and she looks really cute in her casual clothes.
The problem with modern Fate designs is that 99% of modern Fate is FGO and FGO needs coom to sell because it's a gacha, they also have a lot of different artists on board which is why art quality and designs tend to fluctuate greatly.
No. 384745
>>384741kill yourself retard this stupid thought process is why all female-orientated games are boring slop like animal crossing and starshit valley
>game mechanics aren’t their primary reason for playing gamesthis is the case for many female gamers, actually. real gamers. in the same way a guy who just plays genshin/aaa is a normie slop casual non-gamer a woman who just plays cookie clicker is also a casual, and shouldn't be considered "gamers". real gamers like challenge. see: women loving LoL, souls games, obscure horror titles, etc.
(infighting) No. 384763
>>384751>>384753No. I played 2018 and ragnarok and there is absolutely no sex, he isn't even touchy with his wife when she appears. It wouldn't make sense to put that crap there either cus the focus is his son who accompanies him everywhere the entire 18 game and most of ragnarok, imagine ditching the kid so you could have sex wtf, it also would cheapen his relationship with his recently dead wife and the whole mourning thing. Idk if moids complained about the lack of nasty minigames but they sure are vocal about not wanting the franchise getting a remake because they fear it will be censored, and since the fight scenes are as gorey as in the original games I am sure they're talking about the sex minigame.
Anyway even without sex scenes in the 18 and ragnarok males still make sex jokes, the whole atreus (kratos teenage son)
turning into a wolf and fucking his two female wolves comes to mind, it's a popular "joke", men are complete degenerates, even when they're put in the role of a father they still manage to have despicable thoughts.
No. 384773
>>384745It’s not a thought process, it’s how it is, it doesn’t mean I agree with it or want it to be this way. But the casual Stawdew valley slop you mentioned is what’s popular with women for a reason. It’s not a top down effect. Though I think women would enjoy strategy more if they knew about it. It’s more of a statistics thing really. But even in this thread soemone said women prefer fandoms and creating things to playing games competitively .
>>384772>can’t shoot people then they’re not interested So… gameplay then? Lol
No. 384785
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>men LIKE gameplay because they're autistic losers with shit taste
>nevermind, men DON'T LIKE gameplay because they only like that shitty meme game that blew up on niconico for memes and porn
>women LIKE gameplay because they play 3 resident evil games for leon
>okay nevermimd, women DON'T LIKE gameplay and ONLY play games for hot guys but that's fine because men DON'T LIKE GAMEPLAY either and only play games for hot girls
>MEN DON'T PLAY SINGLE PLAYER GAMES
>and yes, women still only play sims and animal crossing but those are REAL games, unlike tf2 and overwatch.
this sped's about to make me stroke out. the fuck did she mean by any of this. she has the continuity of a poorly made chatbot. maybe we do need a recaptcha system here after all.
No. 384787
>>384785what even is your definition of gamepplay? you seem to think when men play it=gameplay, but when women play it=no gameplay.
If women dont like gameplay why are they making fucking challenges for games like the sims?
No. 384788
>>384787i think the better question is what's yours as well as your definition of what a video game even is because now you've uno reversed the goalpost to
>overwatch does NOT have real gameplay but the sims 4 doeswhich is a take so weird it shows you aren't even familiar with the sims series somehow. can like you write a manifesto that you can cross reference or something because you changing your story up every 5 seconds makes you sound like someone's testing their c.ai lolcow infight bot on us without our consent. none of us can comprehend whatever it is you're trying to say.
No. 384796
>>384791>it's several anons shitting on youi don't know who you think i am but i'm just scrolling up and getting repeatedly confused by the word salad. it's several anons shitting on
you and i wasn't even one of them.
>unironically has male friends>ridiculously aggressive towards other women, calls us all a bunch of cocksucking nlog retards unprovokedmy ai theory coming in nicely
No. 384805
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>>384436>twisted wonderland and enstars make a large amount of their revenue through merch, that's why they release so much of it relative to moid gachasExcept in figures for some reason, I never got why but joseimuke characters very very rarely get scale figures. Meanwhile there's over 700 Azur Lane figures.
No. 384810
>>384806Also we have the age old issue where the audience for female figures is
both men and women while the audience for male figures is women only. Just look at the droves of female miku collectors
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>>384549>Liking the alarm clock hating misogynistHonestly all the guys in fate stay night are pretty trash, I do kinda get the argument for Archer though since he had a lot of shipbait with Rin and he's actually attractive
it always felt like Rin was just waiting for Emiya to turn into him anywayBut I also think Shinji is the FSN best character sooo…
No. 384814
>>384806I kind of get that argument (it would also explain why the most popular type of figure with women are nendoroids because they actually do figures for them and they're tiny) but at the same time there's plenty of women who just collect dupes of the same merch over and over again to have as a once a year shrine pic on said character's birthday and then have it in storage for the rest of the year.
>>384810That's also true, not counting shounen characters obviously since both men and women buy those.
At the same time though, the most popular cast off on MFC is Aoba rather than a female character so clearly there's a market for it (at least for fujos, no idea if yumes would also be interested)
No. 384817
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>>384806>>384805I always found this odd, it shouldn't be that rare to want good scale figures of either 3d or 2d male characters yet they go on making weird specific merch like picrel too (touken ranbu inspired) which seem more complicated and niche.
Also the topic of this thread is always going to cause some discussions at some point, they can't go on forever but i think that sometimes certain redtext are unfair. No. 384819
>>384817Touken Ranbu actually gets some pretty nice figures since Nitro+ actually cares about keeping their female fans happy and making as many figures as possible.
As for the watches and purses, some people just like a more subtle weeb look but want to buy the stuff related to their favorite franchises when possible.
No. 384820
>>384811They were pretty clearly just talking design wise and comparing it to
>>384513 and
>>384520 No. 384822
>>384819Yeah i know about the ones you've mentioned, they have stuff about other videogames but i didn't want to derail by talking about anime or mostly just visual novel serieses.
>Some people just like a more subtle weeb look but want to buy the stuff related to their favorite franchises when possible.I'm the same, but i still think that there should be the possibility to also buy good scale figures like it happens with series that are more aimed at moids, no wonder magical girl franchises still get a pass since lots of men are into it too.
No. 384826
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>>384821This reminds me a bit of how i often see official cosplayers for certain female characters in events, but male characters always get cardboards cutouts kek. I know that asking for decent official male cosplayers is too much, but the push for official female cosplayers always weirded me out and seemed unnecessary.
Sorry if the male examples has some kind of nobodies, i'm sure i could find better pictures of more popular franchises but finding the pictures of the cutouts is a bit troublesome.
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>>384805azure lane is pure coomship but the figures all look very well-made and pretty, its makes me kinda jealous. i need picrel as a well-made figure, sexo rinne is essential for my well-being
No. 384924
>>384741Oh whatever, me and other anons are getting sick of you repeating this without any proof besides your own beliefs. The issue is that not a lot of women play games to begin with.
We already discussed why some women are potentially turned away from games last thread and I don't feel like going in circles. Everyone who plays a game, enjoys the gameplay at some extent, they wouldn't play it otherwise, there's no proof you need to show to make sure you like the gameplay, it's that simple. Why are you putting women under a microscope and analyzing their gameplay enjoyment? Why do women need to prove they gameplay love and devotion based on what
you consider gameplay? You should consider that most people aren't into niche games and it's not a gender issue, that's what most of us are trying to explain. Think in percentages and not in total numbers.
If anecdotal evidence means so much to you (since you seem to base your opinion on that), I got two normie female friends who play the sims and animal crossing, but they love age of empires and civilization, these interests aren't mutually exclusive.
Honestly you're kind of pissing me off already and I don't want to catch a ban like other anons, but we already discussed this last thread. The fact you don't find women to play your RTS games is a you problem, your experience with your niche games are not a gender problem. I play niche games as well and I think you're missing the point on how few people play them to begin with.
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>>384947nta but building a pretty house in sims can also be hard and especially time consuming. you think you could just start the sims and build a house like this?
No. 384998
>>384924Why are you all talking about RTS? Who even mentioned RTS? In my experience, both online and IRL, most women play games for the story or the characters and see gameplay as either an obstacle or something they tolerate for the story. Most men I talk to, online and IRL, play games primarily for the game mechanics whatever they may be. I don't have statistics for something like this, honestly I dont know how you'd measure it, but the fact that practically every woman I meet (not every but most of them) doesn't know what I'm talking about when I bring up hearthstone for example but half the men I meet do is enough for me. You can't have it both ways, either I'm a cringe nlog for enjoying games primarily for gameplay or ackthually women all really like gameplay even though the games I hear them talk about the most have little to no gameplay elements, yes even compared to average casual slop like valorant. So you can't really be surprised mechanically challenging or involved games don't pander to women. As for why this is, I have some ideas, but I'm not interested in opening a teach-girls-to-enjoy-game-mechanics-camp or something. If someone isn't interested I'm not going to preach to them, but I am going to say don't be surprised.
No. 385015
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>>384773>Though I think women would enjoy strategy more if they knew about it.This. I play The Sims, farming sims and other "girly" games, but I also love Civ series, Crusader Kings, X-Com, Rimworld, etc. I love games with strong strategic or "managerial" aspect to them (which is also why many girly games appeal to me). I wish more women would discover these games. but I think the militaristic/stats-autims look of these games puts a lot of them off, sadly. I've noticed that Civilization series tends to attract more women, perhaps because it's more colorful and approachable.
Man, I need to reinstall X-COM 2.
No. 385109
>>385015tbh i played a ton of RTS games as a kid and kept trying them even as an adult and still enjoyed them. i tried to get into civ but just couldn't. as an adult, RTS games as a genre don't usually interest me.
right now, i'm really enjoying kenshi and i would hardly call that "pretty". it's all about the worldbuilding of the game for me.
No. 385143
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>>385128Yes, but some anons in the thread seem to be confusing rts with other strategy games.
As not to derail further, how do gamer nonnas feel about "detective" games like for example Return of the Obra Dinn? I think this is another avenue that might appeal more to female audience if they were only able to find these types of games. I'm really looking forward to The Rise of The Golden Idol.
No. 385299
>>385265No, you're just assuming that because women don't play your superior niche games they don't like games for their game play. Animal crossing, Kirby, Sims, etc have like no story but women will sink countless hours into them. If there's no plot then what could it be other than gameplay keeping them playing? Every woman I've met who likes Zelda games likes them for the puzzles and dungeons and fighting enemies. Even plot heavy games like final fantasy women I know enjoy them for the dungeons/puzzles/boss fights. Just because you struggle meeting women into your turbo autist games doesn't mean your love for them is somehow more pure and
valid. And maybe, just maybe, you struggle making female friends into the same games is because you're an insufferable arrogant loser.
No. 385305
I think that an assumption that women wouldn't like strategic and gameplay-oriented games is not true. It's just that they are not tailored for women's likes. I'm huge into strategies and I knew a few women who do too.
It's just that I feel women are mostly into tycoons, city building sims and general stuff like that.
If we are talking about earlier games, there was a portion of women who adored Pharoah/Ceaser/Zeus and Rollercoaster Tycoon.
It's just that mil sims and military strategies bore women to death. I admit, I feel the same way. Total War is booring and I never understood how anyone can enjoy it.
IMHO, most women who play games like that, play them for autistic customization and micromanagement, and like creating stuff rather than moving armies around.
Maybe some women do like that, again, for each on their own, as women are not a hivemind.
It even shows in the paradox community, where CK has a sizable female player base, while HOI is a huge sausage party. After CK, Cities are also relatively popular. It's just that yout average strategy playing woman more enjoys creating stuff from the ground up and seeing her creation develop in her vision rather than autistically painting maps.
Although, I noticed that TBS like XCOM also garnered some fangirls. But it's because XCOM overall is a very cool series.
No. 385359
>>385317>>385305What anons have been saying though is that this is not a female only phenomena. Those games bore most male gamers to death as well. Games have just historically catered to men so there's more of them playing games period. More men playing games in general = more men playing niche autistic games. Less women playing games = less women playing niche autistic games. Why is this so hard to understand.
And like other anons have said, a lot of women aren't open about playing these games because they want to avoid the type of men that play them and the women like the nlog upthread.
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Though I’m an unrepentant shotafag, I really wish that non shota male characters could be given lewd outfits as well. It’s already rare enough enough as is, and when it does happen it’s more often than not a shota. Hell, even in female targeted games/vns it’s rare which is absolutely ridiculous. I assume it’s because shotas are nonthreatening whereas skimpy teenage/adult male characters trigger the holy council of scrotes(shotasperging )
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With gamergates ten year anniversary coming up, how do you guys feel about her now?
No. 388143
>>387639mad to think what gamergates effect was
correct me if im wrong but didnt it all started because some people got pissed off about games companies paying for good reviews from video game sites and magazines
No. 388547
>>387639She's a stupid bitch still who slept with greasy gamer dudes for a good game review. Her and Anita throw a lot of women under the bus for their own agenda. Anita did almost zero research for her videos and they were hard to watch.
>>388543Pretty much this.
No. 388624
>>387639My opinion on her has softened over the years, but I still stand by the fact that she was a hack who slept her way to the top. Not as bad as Anita though, she was a bonafide grifter with no talent. Both were narcissistic normies exploiting a community for their own gain and ruined the talk about sexism in video games forever by weaponizing it for their own business instead of genuine interest for women's rights.
As for gamergate itself, it was a movement that meant good, but ultimately opened the gates for not only the occupy wallstreet opportunists, but also actual neo-nazis and white supremacist who both made it into their battleground.
>>388600Nope. Zoe did a ton of vile stuff, including intentionally sabotaging other female developers and their game jams and pocketed money meant for her own Rebel Game Jam that never happened. If she was as relevant today as she was 10 years ago, she would definitely have an active thread here. The post-gamergate dudebro audience targeted a lot of innocent women who were flamed over petty garbage like that bullyhunter girl but Zoe was not one of them.
No. 388632
>>388624This. I don't have an autistic hateboner for Anita or Zoe, they're grifters that just came at the right time and place. I do unironically think they set females in the gaming community back with their shenanigans. For a time it felt like women couldn't really talk about anything related to videogames without men in the community invalidating women's opinions because "Woke bad" and on the other side of the spectrum either having your opinions ignored because it wasn't the same surface level clickbait topics of the time or being given the most infantilizing/demeaning responses because of said grifters ruining public perception of females within the gaming community.
I think nowadays compared to the early to mid 2000s when balloon tits, jiggle physics, and poorly animated cutscenes were the bane of a lot of people's existences, the sexualization of female characters has been significantly toned down in western video games.
No. 388633
>>387639She is a grifter opportunist and in the last 10 years she made Gamergate her whole personality and grift despite claiming otherwise. If you compare her to other women who have been
victim of online harrassment it's night and day. She has all the traits of a narcissist and talking about her feels like falling into her trap.
If you think about it, every relevant figure of GamerGate ended up being a grifter, Milo Yannapoulis (or whatever his surname was; another narcissist on top of it) even went on to become a semi-famous right wing grifter in the US.
Gamergate as a whole was the beginning of the end for the videogame fandom, when politics started poisoning every discourse and when topics such as sexism or fanservice couldn't be discussed anymore without summoning a horde of mouth-frothing retarded moids. It showed that Millennial moids were a big apolitical mass that have now been radicalized into following anything that caters to their immediate feelings. How many gamer gaters are now uwu trans ladies uwu, I wonder?
It was one of the most embarrassing online moid shitshows and one of the first steps of gaming and nerd outlets being tainted by political psyops (the roots were there before, but it was with gamergate that it all flourished).
All in all, I hate it and we have it worse now.
No. 388661
>>388660I also watched several of her videos way before gamergate was a thing and her videos were shit. She was somewhat popular on tumblr at the time which is how I heard about her in the first place.
>she was just making normie feminism 101 type media critiquesThat's precisely the issue. People need to stick to talking about topics they actually know about instead of saying "video games are le bad because… uh….. because Lara Croft has triangle boobs!" for 20 minutes per video. I'd rather listen to constructive criticism from women who are into video games as a hobby and not as a side gig.
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>>388699I for one think the top 2 most pressing issues are definitely game companies making the assess of male characters .01% smaller and the absence of female ugly bastards because that's a vidya problem and not a worldwide problem with media as a whole including, nay, especially that which is made by and for women themselves, and I LOVE this based thread! it makes moids seethe!
No. 388752
>>388661I don't think her content was amazing or anything like that. Very basic media criticism that could've helped some young women and girls become more aware of the boxes that we're put in media. I appreciate coming across her content when I was younger, as she put into words some abstract, uneasy feelings I had about some portrayals of women on media but I didn't know hot formulate those thoughts. I was never on Tumblr so maybe that's why her content at the time felt new to me.
You don't think an "outsider" could critique games on the elements she does have a grasp on, such as the overt sexualization (Lara Croft's triangle boobs as you said kek), weak characterizations and the lack of agency in narratives? Those things happen to female characters across the board in media and idt you need to be an expert hobbyist to be able to point it out and critique it.
>>388663I don't feel scammed since I never spent any money on her content. I found value in her videos when I was younger and felt bad for all the shit she had to endure.
It's crazy that it's been over a decade and women itt can say that her or Quinn (I don't know much about her since I wasn't into games and the discourse at that time) made things worse for the games landscape or blame them for what happened. You can say Sarkeesian's videos are shit or that Quinn was a dishonest whore trying to get promo for her awful game but even if that's true, the response from males was completely unjustified and disproportionate.
No. 388763
>>388699Personally, I think fanservice is mostly a non-issue. I like 2b, Classic Lara Croft, Ivy Valentine and a lot of other characters people would call sexualized. On the other hand, I find actual sex scenes (Like in Baldur's Gate 3 or the old God of War games) to be gross and cringey. However, while the sex stuff in Baldur's Gate 3 grossed ME out, apparently a lot of other women actually liked it. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.
I think there are three things we can all agree on though:
1)games need more hot guys
2)Moids need to be less
toxic and stop scaring women out of the hobby
3)no more troon shit
No. 388867
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>>388763It's an issue the same way the female class, irl, is seen as ornamental kek. Moid developers are too insecure with their masculinity to openly sexualize male characters the same way. I get so frustrated at the shitty bikini female armor (and boring male armor) in older monster hunter games.
A tangent. I'm annoyed when the gender player options have the men walking normally and the girls walking in a way moids who have never seen a woman think how we walk. Gets me all dysmorphic.
No. 388891
>>388867>when the gender player options have the men walking normally and the girls walking in a way moids who have never seen a woman think how we walkThat shit drives me insane. I remember spending hours creating my character on dragon age inquisition only to restart it as soon as I saw the female character walking as if she was some model on the catwalk while men walked normal, it seriously annoyed me since I don't remember walking being this exaggerated in the old games. Not entirely the same but kinda, on mass effect: the fucking ugly ass lashes that stay even if you get rid of all makeup, also how male shepard is all strong and female shepard looks like a twig. I also noticed how some characters talk to female shepard differently than they do to male shepard, and you bet that made me play a much more ruthless shepard when playing female. You mean to tell me we got this 'equality' thing everyone loves talking about but women still get to hear misoginistic bullshit? Make up your mind, either we left that crap behind or the future is just like the jetsons envisioned: crazy tech but everything else is still the same and women are still the bottom of the barrel. I don't wanna hear about how women get to do shit, I wanna see it and do it without having to listen to some aliens talking like human scrotes.
What is equality anyway in futuristic settings? No separated bathrooms based on sex (cus women naked in front of men is so progressive, nevermind the setting still shows rape, prostitution and porn as things that exists and happen almost exclusively to women) and women getting violently killed or tortured on screen? Never seen that before…
Men don't seem to spend more than a minute thinking why things are the way they are, why women behave the way they do and what would need to be changed (and how) for them to behave a certain way, nah, gotta spend more time writing some "realistic" dragons, just call it equality, they can take a beating now just like men, equal rights ftw.
Back on topic I also hate so much when games make that sliding thing for the characters and all it does for female characters is making their breasts bigger or giving them more curves, no muscles in sight and when it's there looks like they just gave up, put the male template and call it a day.
No. 388894
>>388763I think for me it’s
1. How unplayable multiplayer games are
2. How hostile the community and especially the industry is
3. The culture war bullshit that infects everything
I honestly genuinely do not care about husbandos. Though if that is your passion, I also don’t care if you crusade for it, it just doesn’t affect me.
No. 388897
>>388752I was well into my 20's when Gamergate happened and I was able to make my own judgement based on what I witnessed and I still remember how it went down before the movement was hijacked by Neogaf breadtubers, Milo Yiannopoulos and his grunts and Stormfront faggots. Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian were both grifters on par with Brianna Wu and that's it, no amount of whitewashing history will change it. They made it difficult for women in the gaming community who genuinely care about feminist issues but also love the medium to be heard because they were caught with their pants down multiple times and got rightfully ridiculed for it - both were indifferent to or outright hated video games and looked down on them, Zoe Quinn absolutely exploited her simp connections to forward her career like pulling strings to get her shitty text game greenlit on Steam despite it being rejected at first and had unprofessional journalists in prolific places hype it up, and she did the same to drive her female competition out like she did with her Rebel game jam that she used just to pump money on her personal paypal account.
Anita Sarkeesian knew next to nothing about video games and had horrible media literacy and media analysis skills, reducing potential issues with sexism in video games into shitty clickbait titles nobody could take seriously. She could've used her position to talk about issues in depth and to cover things like sexism in the industry and done genuine investigative journalism but instead she took the "hurr why are girl characters damsel in distresses all the time???" talking points and ran with it ragebait was the easiest road to take. It's not like she was wrong with her points because female representation in video games was abysmal at the point, but it was done in such an egregious and insincere way it didn't resonate with women who actually did play video games and only fed off the gamerbros generating hateviews. That's called a grift.
No. 388922
>>388756>>388892>>388897ayrt, thanks for your perspectives. At the time GG happened I wasn't a part of the gaming scene, so from my point of view it looked like an outrageous reaction to some harmless pop feminist media critique. I can understand from your point of view Anita coming in as "an outsider", trying to present herself as an expert on the medium and in your opinion not doing a great job, that that would be grating. Especially since if/when she fumbled it would be twisted to represent all women in games. That must've sucked.
I still maintain that the main takeaway from GG is male entitlement and how far their mob mentality can go unchecked, however I also now understand nonas who felt slighted by Sarkeesian and Quinn and want to critique them.
>They and their dissenters were the pioneers of the dreaded breadtube.kek I've definitely enjoyed some breadtube videos. I agree though that Feminist frequency content seems like a precursor to them. And for sure, if you dislike the concept/find them shitty then you definitely wouldn't have liked her content.
Thanks again nonas for taking the time to explain your viewpoint.
No. 388934
>>388891All women are born with glued on eyelashes and heels raised to accommodate high heels from birth according to game devs.
> You mean to tell me we got this 'equality' thing everyone loves talking about but women still get to hear misoginistic bullshit? For real kek. If everyone had equal opportunity, women wouldn't be wearing idol costume bikinis as armor or something. I don't play the same games as you but you are seen and heard, nonita.
>>388894I've always envied the moids who post vids playing multiplayer online holdfast or mordhau and have funny silly interactions on vc. Hurts a lot that I will never experience that with my sisters, even moreso because I'm now an adult and don't have much free time.
No. 388943
>>388923>m-muh metokur muh shuwu Did anyone deny they were grifters too? No? Anons were pretty much implicating that the movement attracted nothing but grifters on all sides. Even back then everyone was calling shoeonhead and her cronies out for doing it, and Metokur himself got a ton of shit for dipping out "early" (because his girlfriend was doxxed) and retards like Sargon and Ethan Ralph never let him live it down, not even to this day. And to his credit, at least he was passionate about video games despite being a piece of shit.
>>388922You'd be surprised at how many both breadtubers AND altright channels (who were called the "skeptics" back then) got their start during Gamergate. None of them gave a shit about video games, both sides saw them as mindless entertainment for loser nerds but were more than happy to exploit and weaponize the sides of the community for their resources be it money or exposition. Like take pretty much any breadtuber or right wing tuber in their late 20's or older, you'll be able to trace their career back to gamergate for sure.
>Especially since if/when she fumbled it would be twisted to represent all women in games. That must've sucked.That was what was so absolutely fucked about it. Female representation in games AND the gaming industry was almost nonexistent and this was the shit we got for the first time when women in gaming came up for the first time in a non-pornified way. Two normie grifters who despised video games were the most prolific people talking about women in gaming. Absolutely made me seethe, still does.
No. 388975
>>388974Ntayrt but I believe she meant the classic
>fuck around & find outI mean don't try to clip your nails with a shotgun and then try to blame the manufacturer
No. 388978
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So the Silent Hill 2 remake.
Angela looks more chubby and much younger than she did in the original and they clearly have some kind of shif in the artstyle to change her face entirely but I guess that's fine, the turtleneck fits the sexual assault survivor trope more (they cover up and maybe even make themselves look more unattractive) and that's fine it fits I guess.
But then they made the nurses and Maria less sexy when that was the point of them. Like I get midriff and report print aren't popular anymore but the dress and coat combo is too modest for Maria's role as a literal moid sex fantasy.
No. 388988
>>388976This.
>"b-but when I was 11 and watched her vids I thought they were very informative and you guys sound like scrotes tbh umu"Retarded. How much you wanna bet they'd be riding Brianna Wu's girldick too if it was a strap-on instead of the real thing? We've known a lot of the most vocal anons ITT are shitheads for a minute now but come on.
No. 388989
>>388978Oh I didn't know her outfit was based on a real one! Who's the person on the left?
Also I think this outfit was fine. It's not even that sexual, just a bit tacky.
No. 388997
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>>388989It's Christina Aguilera from the teen choice awards in 1999, and Maria being based on an actual physical outfit a celebrity wore is very clever
No. 389007
>>388960Remember the female reviewer who they tried getting fired for giving gta a 9/10, even if plenty of other reviewers didn't give the game a 10 at the time? Thankfully for that woman, she didn't live in Korea, so she didn't lose her job. I've played games all my life, and they tolerated us more because nobody spoke up against anything they liked. If you dared to mildly criticize something, you were in for a lot of shit. You can still go by like this, all you have to do is not complain.
>>388973nta but they'll say every woman is a cheater if their ex cheated on them. It wasn't about anita and zoe, they were already being aggressive and not listening, they just had a new direction to point their finger as the reason. They know rapists and bad men are the exception, but why did they discredit other women because of them? They never listened to women, they never cared, and they were the ones lumping women into a group of "feminists evil!" and proceeding to deny the reality in front of them.
I never liked Zoe and her pretentious game even before the controversy and I never cared for Anita, she was just one of the many women dipping their toes in feminism at the time and making surface level takes on the media around them. Remember the obsession with bechdel test? Or the women posing with controller sticks and lingerie? I never liked them, but they didn't affect me directly as the men who justify their hatred with that.
No. 389016
>>389010ayrt and honestly didn't remember much of the controversy, maybe I shouldn't have used the cheating example kek. WhatI meant was every guy who discredited other serious women tackling women issues in the industry because of Zoe and Anita, was never even listening. They make exceptions for bad men and say those don't reflect the whole industry, but they acted like Zoe and Anita were the norm for all women. I still dislike Zoe and Anita, I do think they overplayed the
victim because they knew the
victim card was part of what made them notorious and they fed it. Ironically the men who viciously hated them were the ones who gave them their notoriety.