/snow/ - flakes & mistakes

Didnt the guy who made the show specifically ask people not to find anyone’s real identity? Pretty sure Richard has even been personally messaging TikTok accounts to stop with this. The man was raped and stalked please just respect his wishes. Also the “real baby raindeer” would be Richard, title should be the real Martha or something.

>>1989980
you know the moid could just be lying

>>1990058
He could be but he's not because she's behaving in EXACTLY the way she is depicted in the show, using the same mannerisms, and alluding to showing up at the Pub in her own tweets. I am normally very skeptical of Males who accuse women of crimes like rape and stalking because I've been falsely accused twice before myself, but she is completely validating almost all of his claims.

The show was so good, I binged it all in a night. So interesting the way the stalking victim reflects on the things he's actively doing to encourage the stalking behaviors and how he enjoyed it at some points, and the major introspection into why, as well as pitying Martha, I was interested in looking into the real story so thanks for the thread anon

>>1990078
I am talking about the "top executive" that allegedly raped him.

>>1990090
Why do you say allegedly?

>>1990096
NTA, but I assume anyone who says stuff is emotionally true is a lying scrote tbh.

>>1990099
he seems preciousne but my base assumption is that everyone in Hollywood has been sexually abused.(sage your shit)

>>1990099
What makes you think he's lying? Her actions and manner of speaking are confirming how she is acting. She has tweets darting back to 2014 where she explicitly states that she frequented the Camden pub, tweeted sexual messages to him using the same verbage and bizarre turns of phrase that constitute her idiolect EG 'hang my curtains' and her mannerisms and bizarre non-sequiturs are all the same. She did these awful things and has done nothing to hide her tracks.
He literally was nice to her because he pitied her and showed her kindness, and this is how he was repaid.

>>1990103
I must have been out of town the day 'preciousne' was added to the dictionary. What do you mean?

>>1990058
If he’s lying then there is no reason to stalk innocent people online. Either way it’s pathetic to witch hunt.

>>1990078
>I’ve been falsely accused twice
How does that even happen? Kek

>>1989980
men cannot be raped. If she was an average woman and not a hamplanet he wouldn't be crying 'abuse'.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

>>1990115
He claimed a guy raped him.

>>1990116
he is gay and did stuff with a guy an regretted it and then dated a tranny so he could continue to lie to himself

Not saved for milk.

>>1990111
Men are obsessed with co opting women's struggles (rape and stalking) to suit their own agendas and smear that woman. Men make false accusations constantly because they crave drama and importance, and vict is the perfect way to achieve that. In my case, the reason they had the opted to make these accusations were to assuage their own guilt, DARVO, and threaten me with an alternative narrative if I ever spoke out about what they had done to me.
I had never raped either of these men, but they had done dreadful things to me which they feared being exposed. 'Don't tell on me or I'll lie about you'.

>>1990120
Chemsex, where the perpetrator is using GBH to drug and rape the victim is very common in the gay community. I don't think he's lying. He continued to allow himself to be raped because he believed it would help his career and pay off one day.

>>1990121
Building on this, both men know I have information about them and their unusual fetishes which is both compromising and embarrassing and could destroy them.
Since my country specifies that rape can only be committed by a man, neither men would be able to do anything legally with their outrageous and defamatory claims, even if they did believe their own delusions. Personally even if they do feel they were raped by me, I do not care and hope they feel as violated as they made me feel, they're both horrific 'people'.(continuing to blogpost)

>>1989980
>man
>raped
kek(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

I saw the trailer. The guy is ugly as fuck there is no way anyone raped him or stalked him. Males are so narcissistic they believe a fat women merely saying hi to them is "abuse" and "stalking". If you believe him you're a cock loving slut. This is another Johnny Depp situation. If any abuse happened it was him who did it to her.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

>>1990130
he doesn’t say the female stalker raped him, he says he was raped by another man

>>1990103
>in Hollywood
a UK comedian/performance artist is not “in Hollywood” even though his show is now streaming on Netflix

>>1990131
Sorry I would agree with you in any other case and echo what you are saying but this is factually true. There are tweets of her harassing him going back a decade for all to see, police reports and such.

>>1990115
He was raped by a man why comment like you’re all knowing when you haven’t even seen the show jfc.

>>1989914
Jannie, I don't think context is really needed for an international Netflix hit.

Her posts are nonstop, it's wild and but somehow more understandable than other schizo posters I've seen. He admits through out the show that he enjoyed the attention from her, even in the must fucked up situations where he became obsessed with her after he finally got it all to stop. This guy has a lot wrong with him but he clearly knew people would search, kek I didn't realize it would be so online though. I think he secretly wanted it to cone to light because it's more attention on him from everybody including his stalker, which again feeds his ego.

>>1990191
she literally writes exactly how she's portrayed in the show hahaha.

>>1990212
She looks pretty similar to the actress too lol…I still think him telling fans not to dox anyone was just PR, and he knew what he was doing and made the show as revenge on people who wronged him

>>1990246
Was it just me or did anyone else find Martha insanely cute, witty and eccentric. If she wasn't an insane stalker who would go off the handle she'd be really charismatic. >>1990191 She looks super fat like Martha.

>>1990250
it was just you, I think
she veered from honestly funny to cringe to scary

I love this thread, I just finished up the show and couldn’t wait to see what people dug up about her.
I agree with anons saying the ‘pls don’t doxx’ was PR bs, we are all sleuths in 2024 with osint tools at our fingertips (if even necessary).

I really liked the way the show portrayed the LAYERS UPON LAYERS of what it’s like to survive sexual abuse and stalking. Being a very, very imperfect victim.

Whether it’s true or not, idk I’m not really inclined to believe moids.
I’m sure Fiona was annoying, she seems unhinged, but it’s nothing like when a man stalks and harasses a woman, so. My sympathies are limited.(sage your shit)

>>1990250
Yeah I found myself really sad toward the end when he listens to her voicemail at the bar, like girl you could have been friends!!!!! It seems like he would have humored that even if he found her a bit odd.
He clearly still liked the company. She was just a damaged individual, as he also becomes, and so the cycle continues….loved that bit at the end. For dramatic purposes, ofc. Not a fan of it happening irl.

>>1990517
Just finished the show too and my sympathies are very limited too. I cannot believe the scrotes who dare try to make this a symmetrical issue with what women go through. Thing is, the dude never felt threatened by Fiona - not truly. Inagine the scene along the canal where she follows him home and reverse the role with a man following a woman ? She would end up raped and beaten and dead in most cases. There's a moid who kept saying in a yt video that "women feel empathy towards Donny because they know what it's like", duh, yeah we know, but he does not. Experiences on the woman's side are so much worse. No men is randomly abducted, beaten, raped and killed (Sarah Evrard), no men is dying everyday or raped at the rate women are, etc. Funny how no one questions the author's experience too. If he was a woman, his every word would have been dissected, doubted, questioned, he would have been harassed etc. Women show empathy towards Gadd when most men showed 0 empathy and smeared victims during meetoo. Fuck him and other moids because they don't deserve our empathy in the end.
The show as a piece of entertainment was a wild ride, it was pretty interesting nonetheless.

>>1990250
No anon, she was a complete basket case from the get go. She truly has many screw lose and absolutely needed to be locked up.

>>1990529
Agreed. The amount of normies emboldened in their "believe male victims" and "imagine the roles were reversed" bullshit is enraging, and of course the roles ARE reversed 99% of the time and women don't receive a fraction of the leeway he's been given in stringing the stalker along either. Also I find the "anal sex plz" comment ""sent by his co-workers"" convenient especially considering he clearly like bum fun.(no blackpill outside of 2X)

I appreciated the show being from a male perspective, I agree people would not have been open to the same narrative from a woman, which sucks but I hope it could allow audiences that would typically dismiss victims to open their perspectives.

Disempowered people's voices (in this case women's voices) often feel like hyperbole, people on the other side of the power scale (men) can't begin to even try to understand because they dismiss these conversations as the same old womanly whining.

Also trying to imagine a show that explores to same stuff but from a female victim's story just doesn't work for me.

The problem when it comes to media that explores women's pain, particularly sexual assault is you'd be making porn. There's probably a good amount of freak men wanking to Baby Reindeer, but as a society, people view women's bodies as inherently sexual and women's suffering as a part of sex.

Most porn, apart from literally exploiting the actresses, follows a narrative of a male predator exploiting a female victim. We are completely desensitised to it.

I disagree with anons here. I find the show and his narrative extremely well done. I don't think it even made excuses for him being in the position he was. He often seemed to take credit for the danger he put himself in. He knew he was male so decided to engage someone he already knew was dangerous. He continued because he did not think a small fat woman was as dangerous as he was. And while she showed serious threats, he still had the male socialization of pursuing her. Actively pursuing her. He was a frustrating character and you had the same thoughts as you would if he were a woman. "He's stupid and he's asking for it." Except a woman would have never, EVER GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. She could have even rebuffed a male martha and the audience would blame her for rebuffing him the wrong way. So I do believe there's double standards, but Gadd was so insane in following her, texting her, and immersing himself in her attention, you have to think it was his fault. His tranny got attacked and he sort of shrugged it off because he liked her and wasn't threatened himself. The only thing that made him fearful was when she went after his family. I think men are hilariously thinking this is comparable with a woman, but this dude was actually ASKING FOR IT. He fucking said he was. He said he was so fucked up from being raped, then couldn't figure out his sexuality that he wanted the type of relationship he had with Martha. I think the show was amazing and I believe Gadd because his sadistic mutual obsession with her hit the audience over the head and it's retards fault for not understanding that this is a very male experience of stalking and rape.

>>1990250
No. She was always unpleasant.

>>1990578
Thank you for the only sane-minded post in the thread

https://x.com/reecelyons_/status/1780254117820080604?s=46
delusional trans “actress” mad they weren’t casted and made an exposing thread?(this is an imageboard)

>>1990827
You're burying the lede majorly, which is that the show writer Richard Gadd is a bug chasing troon fucking tranny chaser who used his netflix show as an excuse to try to fuck more trannies by promising them roles. It's only a good thing when these moids get exposed. Why defend him

>>1990827
the troon is extremely long winded so im not screencapping everything but basically >>1990834 is right, the show creator went around trying to fuck trannies and cast them on his show at the same time

TBH I didn't really understand that whole part of him getting raped by that producer as it was shown in the series. It's not like visiting the guy was actually helping his career - he said so himself. Did he just like the attention or that he could get wasted with someone? That whole part was confusing to me (as it was portrayed) and something felt really off. Also, he suddenly "became" gay/bi after the rape, hmm.
And then at the end, it seems like he resumes working for his supposed rapist?
Somehow, it felt as if a man is trying to ride the coattails of the MeeToo movement without really understanding how trauma/psychology of a victim works, and because of that, it came off as confusing and insincere? At least to me.

>>1990868
it seemed believable that he was hanging out with creepy producer dude because he had nothing going on in his own life, plus free booze and drugs and being clout-adjacent

>>1990834
You're making it sound like he raped the troon. Literally all that happened is they had an awkward date, then later the chaser asked if they could go on another date, even the troon says he wasn't abused.

>>1990904
He spends the majority of the thread repeatedly accusing Gadd of having borderline personality disorder which was a bad move on his part because it's got all the twitter people who usually share this kind of stuff uncritically jumping down his throat for mental illness shaming

>>1990903
He had a girlfriend at the time though, so it's not like he was lonely, bored and didn't have anywhere to go in the evening. He actually pushed the girlfriend aside to spend more time with this guy. I don't know, it's like something was missing in that puzzle for me to understand his motivations.

>>1990904
I clearly didn't make it sound like that in the least, I just said he's a disgusting creepy tranny chaser. Again, why defend a troonfucker.

>>1990910
idk, it seemed in the show like he and the girlfriend were on the outs (brief montage of them snuggling in bed, then not) before he really got into hanging out with the producer? I suppose in real life the whole being gay for cock, plus his annoying personality, turned her off; she certainly seemed to hate him when she came back later and was only putting up with him because he was her mom’s tenant

>>1990827
>>1990845
>>1990904
>>1990906
I'm still trying to understand why the troon can't stop constantly accusing him of being bpd. All he did was tranny chase.

>>1990906
I don't understand. What is he complaining about? He said himself nothing happened apart from him noticing Gadd is a tranny chaser. Troons are deluded and think that's a hate crime but come on? Why did he do a whole-ass thread to say "nothing happened"? Am I missing something

>>1991039
is the problem that gadd asked the tranny out on a date and the tranny felt like he couldn't say no because he thought it would fuck up his chance at getting the part he was auditioning for? that's a common predatory tactic for industry moids but the troon couldn't have been too worried about upsetting gadd considering he practically called him a tranny chaser during the date

>>1990910
It's because it fed his ego. Just like Martha did later on. That's like the whole story, he desperately wanted to be seen and validated as someone special.

Couldn't make it further than episode 5 or something where he suddenly starts jerking off to Martha and then fucking her shortly after. What the fuck, I hate moids and their broken sexuality. No woman would suddenly bang her gross and actually dangerous stalker. We are not the same and I'm tired of men playing the victim after fucking around and finding out. Nasty ass pornsick bisexual chaser moidwhore

>>1991057
he even accepted a job from the guy in the end, solely bc it would validate his dreams of working in comedy. comedians are bottom of the barrel scum who are rewarded for never growing or maturing.

>>1990827
god therapists are retarded

>>1990115
Anon you should watch the show, I was skeptical at first too but actually it's not full of comments about her weight or her being grotesquely ugly to him or anything. He feels empathy for her (beyond pity) and masturbates to the thought of her. You forget about the fact that she's physically unattractive because at moments it portrays her the way he sees her, which really is very much just as a normal human being such as himself, he doesn't seem to view himself as better than her, even after all the crazy things he finds out about her he's still obsessed with figuring out the mystery of what made her the way she is. I'm simping for this show because it was honestly so cool and really surprised me, I also expected it to be some cringey "wah males can be victims too but only if the woman is ugly" but I don't think you could come away from the show thinking that was the message. It was handled in such a nuanced way, and even the fact that he is into transgenders, he pretty much admits that it's because he was rated by a man and it changed him and now he's just fucked up and confused, and ashamed of who hes become.

>>1991140
He never actually fucks her that's all in his fantasy lol

>>1991292
he also masturbated to violent gay pornography and purposefully put himself in dangerous sexual situations as a form of self-harm. him fantasizing about fucking martha was a culmination of his self-loathing, not because he thought she was pretty

>>1991143
Anon, do you know where you are?

>>1990578
Correct post. I enjoyed the show too. I imagine a lot of the vitriol in this thread is from nonnies who look like Martha tbh

this show was well done and i watched it all in one day, although it sent me in to a bit of a spiral. i'm not sure how i feel about it. i appreciate that it shows the idea of an imperfect victim, but it also pisses me off that if a woman had made it, she'd be completely torn apart for the same things that people are calling the male creator "brave" for.

it also made me admit to myself that i've been raped by three guys, partly because if this guy can have such a dramatic, endless "poor me" of a life because he kept going to some guy's house and taking drugs and getting sucked off, calling it grooming and rape, then the actual rape that's happened to me should be realized, if only to myself. i guess that's good.

also fuck off to the idea that adults can be groomed. no.

>>1992232
the scene where he said to the police officer “what if the genders were reversed” filled me with rage, because if the genders were reversed the police would also do nothing but add some inappropriate sexist bullshit talk

The real Martha is currently suing for damages and will be appearing for a tell all interview with Piers Morgan. Strap in Nonnas, I can tell this is going to be gold.
>>1992232
>this show was well done
It was unusually well done considering what it was. The acting was pretty good, and I thought the way they made every scene uncomfortable was very interesting. I wish they made other shows with this quality. My biggest criticism was the troon praise but in a way I guess it was pretty bold to insinuate that he would never have fallen for Terri if he didn't become sexually deranged by repeated sexual assault.

>>1991143
I'm curious to see of we're going to get a part two about the rapist producer. Baby Reindeer has been such a popular show and people are going absolutely rabid to identify the producer, and when it happens shit is going to hit the fan because whenever a big name in the BBC gets outed the whole UK goes code red. There has already beed a writer misidentified as the rapist and Richard Osman has had to make a public statement correcting this as everyone in the industry apparently is very aware of who the true rapist is. There will be ongoing drama related to this for a while because (once again) the BBC and people who are involved with BBC productions failed to identify an active predator that everyone was aware of

Finished watching the show a while ago and I only realized towards the end that the actor playing Donny was actually the guy himself. It made sense to me why he looked liked such a druggie, it's actually Gadd and he is shown being addicted to coke in the show. It wouldn't surprise me he's still doing more than coke, judging from the fact that the showrunner who raped him introduced him to meth, crack as well as heroin. His methhead look was extremely distracting in the show, I wonder what he's on.. He doesn't show himself getting sober from the coke or even addressing the addiction at any point.

All things considered, it's bleak that in the end he went back for more. You can definitely see how Martha/Fiona was just a blip in his life and never a threat he took seriously. I finished the show kinda hating him to be honest.

Never heard of this shit, but apparently it's a moid's sob story? Bet it's all exaggerated, moids have this pathological need to play victim.

>>1992907
I weirdly respected the way he characterized himself as a messy crackhead who made bad decisions. I know “what if the genders were reversed” is a dumb cliche, but I think he portrayed that scenario pretty accurately. Going back to a man who sexually abused him for free drugs & clout, flirting with a female stalker and even jerking off to her - all of it lines up with typical male behavior, putting himself in danger repeatedly bc his dumb moid confidence doesn’t really see predators as a threat. Anyone who thinks the message is “believe the poor male victims” is taking the wrong thing away from this show. He clearly shows himself as complicit in his victimhood and his own worst enemy. Any woman who behaved the way he did would be dismissed as an unredeemable slut by the same people crying over him now.

>>1992907
I'm sorry, the guy in the baby reindeer show played himself?

i've not seen the piers morgan interview though i know it was tonight.

the more i think about this show, the more i think it should never have been made. it's about two people obsessed with each other, to their own detriment - yes, martha is worse and she's a criminal and i'm in no way making excuses for her. but making it so easy to find (while protecting the MALE RAPIST) after telling only your side of the story (some of which is admittedly made up) is fucked up. not to mention Gadd comes off completely unhinged and it's not healthy for him either to be continually obsessed with this person.


not to mention no one would give a shit about this if the genders were reversed. yes, it might be cliché, but it's true. a woman telling this story would get destroyed for it.

>>1993062
There’s no way Netflix would pass this type of content up, regardless of the mental health of anyone involved. TV viewers LOVE a trainwreck. It’s literally an entire show about lolcows, anyone here should be able to see the appeal.

>>1993062
I Willl Destroy You is a similar story from a female perspective and equally messy.

>>1992898

why did richard osman "have" to make a statement? he wasn't involved in any aspect of this show?

it's also netflix not BBC?

>Male stalker
moid becomes equally obsessed with her, faps to her, and never sees her as a real threat.
Now compare that to women and their stalker experiences.

>>1993062
theyre both mentally unwell. their baggage made them the way they are, and theyre too far gone to change. martha seems to have a serious personality defect, but dude's baggage was compounded when he was groomed to try various kinda of drugs. theyre living breathing proof that just because you had a bad childhood, were raped, and have severe attachment issues doesnt give you the right to be an asshole. id personally stay away from both of them.

>>1993214
"groomed to try various kinda drugs"? the guy was an adult drug addict. that's not how grooming works. the director guy raped him and that's awful, but come on now.

i do agree people should come away from this show with the idea that it would be a good idea to stay well away from both of them.

>>1993223
Yes, they are both cow material imo. I totally agree, neither of them are good to be around - although it looks like Gadd is somewhat cognisant of that fact in the narrative of the show.

>>1993042
Yes. He was supposed to be about 27 when this happened iirc yet he looks at least 43 years old. That's a little strange visually. Like he's supposed to be that young, somewhat naive and innocent dude but…well he's 40…

>>1993295
Being a cow means a level of self unawareness that Gadd simply lacks. Being a victim of stalking does not a cow make, kek.

>>1993295
oh so he was mid to late 20s? that makes sense better sense tbh, because look at all the cows here here around that age who are dumb and self-destructive as fuck.
really wish he would name his abuser since theyre unfortunately so common in the industry and its clear he still abuses. thats really the only part i care about in this shitfest because Gadd and Harvey are trash

>>1993173
jesus christ develop some reading comprehension. he had to make a statement not because he was directly involved but because randos were being accused of being the rapist from the show. the bbc was mentioned because the implication from his statement (as someone who works at the bbc) was that the rapist was within their ranks.

The guy was as bad as the stalker. He should’ve just told her to fuck off soon as but lead her on at the start. He was shit to his ex and he was shit to the tranny. The whole thing felt like a modern day Misery by Stephen King.

Why are troons being more normalised? Why did he date on? It’s all so weird truthfully

I think most of the story is lies anyway. She was probably a nutty fucker who just didn’t leave him alone and he’s just fabricated the rest of this shit to sound more depressing than he looks(sage your shit)

I watched the show recently and while I can't comment on his experience with the male rapist because that's obviously disgusting, but the whole thing with Martha/stalker situation just felt like there was some sort of veiled "yeah women get this whatever who cares but omg look guys #MensMentalHealth" vibe going on.

Does anyone else remember that scene where he's in the police station and talking to the officer, and the officer says something like that there's a difference between his situation, and then male-on-female stalkers because males pose an actual physical threat to women? Gadd's reaction makes it seem like what the officer is saying is complete bs or crazy but well…it's actually true. Martha is batshit insane and no one deserves to be stalked but why did there have to be a comparison to female victims there as if female victims of stalking even get believed or supported in the first place?
I just find it really annoying that he's getting all sorts of positive praise for this meanwhile if a woman were to create the same show she'd be picked apart and criticized for a similar story even if she was physically attacked (bonus points if she fits into any category that scrotes deem as further on the 'whore' side of the madonna complex).

That scene I mentioned above with the officer is what made me think Gadd is a bit of a narcissist honestly, or at the very least just very self-pitying and sitting in his own mind too much. I found it hard to watch or have empathy for him after that because of these constant little "omg if the genders were reversed…" shit. Like, you didn't need to have that line in there. You are a moid, and moids set this system up. We've got people sucking Gadd's dick for this meanwhile Amber Heard was physically abused by some disgusting nonce Hollywood scrote and she hasn't even received half of the support or empathy.

>>1990578
I agree with all this and to add to it my own tinfoil: male comedians in particular have broken and ugly psyches, and the show shows the lengths he goes to for validation and success. I can't help but feel on some detached, narcissistic level he was excited about all the psychodrama happening to him because it would make for great content lol.

>>1993835
>male comedians in particular have broken and ugly psyches
Cannot agree more. He let himself get sexually abused to be famous. I’m sure he lives for all the drama

>>1993849
thats the weird part, he knew what he was getting into due to his dire need for attention by all means. not that theres ever a perfect victim free of all sins in horrific situations like this, but its more of a sign how accurate predators in that industry are at targeting their victims because no matter what Gadd is trash.

>>1993399
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure he is that self-aware. Think about it. The man is a massive narcissist with a public degradation fetish that he keeps playing over and over again according to his own narration in the show. The way he presents it though is different. He frames it as if he's just the victim and nothing more. Imo there is a lack of self awareness here going on, he's potentially more milky than 'Martha'. The fact that the whole thread dissected more his behaviour rather than Martha's is telling. She's interesting by cow's standard but he is on another level.

Surprising lack of nonnies posting actual milk/updates about the aftermath of Baby Reindeer ITT. Anyway, the government is wagging it's finger at Netflix now that "Martha" has been doxxed

>>1994131
The warning is fair enough but I'm also questioning why Richard Gadd said that "the stalker wouldn't even recognize herself" yet Martha and the irl Martha are almost exactly alike. It's almost like he wanted her to be found out. If he cared so much about anonymity he could have had her from a different place, look different, speak differently etc.
That entire interview with her is a shambles though. She's really really crazy and should not be part of normal society.

>>1993835
>on some detached, narcissistic level he was excited about all the psychodrama happening to him because it would make for great content
yep he's basically an irl, moid version of hannah from girls

>>1994181
>>1994056
I agree with you both, I get a really bad feeling about him. I thought they picked a really creepy actor to play him and it turned out to ACTUALLY be him which made the bad feeling deepen even more. I'm not saying he wasn't stalked, but there feels like there's WAY more to this.

>>1994252
Something about him reminds me of if a stray cat from glasgow developed a heroin addiction. There's just something so greasy and off-putting about him. Even if there isn't necessarily more to it, the way he whines and cries on and self-pities about, for example, wanking over her pictures at some point is just…okay? Are we supposed to pat you on the back for this? If this was a woman who admitted she had a troubled relationship with her stalker she'd be dismissed and people would assume she was making shit up, but with this scrote it's like anything he says they just lap it up as if he's the ultimate victim.
It got to the point where I even started to feel a bit bad for the tranny because he got beat up and Richard/Donny just stood there and did nothing. There's absolutely no redeemable qualities about this man and I do honestly think his trauma should have either been left as: a documentary minus the drama, or just private info in therapy.

i wouldn‘t put him in the npd category (rather hannah from girls if it was more severe) but he 100% has bpd. not wanting to blogpost but the similarities to my mid 20s were almost scary, that‘s why I also found everything to be so authentic and believable. i‘m sure there wasn‘t anything unpredictable for other bpdchans either that have a rather passive doormat personality.(blogposting)

Amazing how women, famous or not, get stalked and raped every day and no one cares when they come forward.
Happens to a man, and everyone starts a witch hunt to find the peoples responsible.
They cast a woman that looks exactly like her. He can say what he wants about not wanting people to come after her, but imo, I think that's definitely what he wanted.

>>1994367
Please tell me you have a better reason for this than the tranny on twitter who said he was BPD for not wanting to date him

Unsaged for potential milk but now he's saying this in picrel and trying to backtrack and still keeping up the "wah wah I wanted them to remain anonymous!!" stuff. Is he retarded? He says the show exists in a "fictional realm" yet also says that everything is true about this. He wants people to remain anonymous then coincidentally casts people that look like them and creates characters that are exactly like them. He's well-aware how good people are at internet sleuthing and finding the real identities.

>>1994479
>Happens to a man, and everyone starts a witch hunt to find the peoples responsible.
Because the world is obsessed with men's mental health right now as if they're fragile little babies. Like you said, if a woman did this or went into such extreme detail like Gadd did, she would be blamed and shamed for all sorts of stuff and not given even half of the empathy these morons are giving him.
>He can say what he wants about not wanting people to come after her, but imo, I think that's definitely what he wanted.
It absolutely is. If he truly cared about anonymity and privacy then it would have been very easy to keep things subtle. He's a coward and hypocritical, he's told this same story for years and is now pretending that he never wanted the attention after he's soaked up all the attention. Typical egotistical scrote.

>>1994571
He's just bothered cause they're going after the rapist now, more than happy to throw this lass under the bus

>>1994599
Has anyone heard about the rumours it was one of the Peep Show writers? No idea if there's any logic to these claims.

>>1989914
I'm watching the show now and one thing I don't get, if all this was so bad for him, why create a TV show about it and play yourself in it? If this happened to a woman she would NOT be making a TV show about it because she would've been actually traumatised.

>>1994612
Probably because he has a degradation fetish. Someone over at Ovarit made a great post about that and explained it well. Until I read her explanation, I couldn't make sense of it either. When you watch him humiliate himself publicly over and over again, you've got to feel bad for him, right? You think ouch, how awful for him. Well, he does not. And that makes so much sense in retrospect. He gets off on it. Being publicly (and privately) humiliated is the kink. Reliving it must be a great experience in his mind. I don't really know how these fetishes work tbh so I won't be able to explain that more but if you get the general concept, it makes sense he is enjoying the attention, relishing the humiliation he went through. He's a textbook moid. See picrel for the Ovarit thread and here's the link for the entire thing, it's interesting to read.
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/556415/baby-reindeer-reads-a-lot-like-male-fetish-and-darvo-gaslighting-to-me

>>1994612
Because he's an attention-seeking leech who's entire life revolves around having eyes on him. The funny thing is, he admits this multiple times in the show - how he's a loser who lives with his ex-gf's mother, how he engages in reckless sex, how he tries to chase an obviously terrible career choice because he's just not funny at all. He actually narrates and admits this to the audience/watchers in the show and yet people still missed it and clung to the "there's no such thing as perfect victim" narrative. He is telling us directly that he is a piece of shit and because the general media is obsessed with male narcissism they lapped it up.

>>1993113
I May Destroy You? thinking back he probably got inspiration from Micaela Coel's show. lots of stylistic similarities and even working with your rapist. At least she named hers though. Which did you like more?

>>1994608
I have heard it might be Sam Bain. Which is really weird cuz the Baby Reindeer guy looked a bit like Super Hans to me. And Peep Show has at least one episode where a rich guy manipulated Jez and Super Hans into jacking him off.

>>1993042
yea for a bit there I was wondering how they managed to cast a guy who does, kind of, look like a baby reindeer somehow. whatever that means. but I do see it. martha was kind of cooking with that one

>>1994131
1) This woman is a creepy clown. Has a charm, a manipulative persona, somehow can be clever and idiotic at the same time. I'm the anon who found her charming. Don't know why. And I just mean charming by the eccentric way she spoke, not stalking/insanity. Still, her visceral hate reminded me a little of some anon rants in here. Little bit warmth in a cold show about abuse, retarded y chromlet and a bizzare dangerous woman.

To speak a bit on the interview, I think she did a horrible job. I kind of hate Piers Morgan, but he can really sniff out vulnerabilities. Her semi non-committal/qualifying responses regarding the 40k email messages were suspect. She seemed have called out Piers about it, but he didn't stop and she tended to do worse as he insisted that those emails can be tracked back to her. It made her nervous. She veered to being 100% sure to "so what." It's interesting.

2) speaking of the piers morgan interview, holy fuck did her actress do a spot on job. I mean, I couldn't see where Fiona ended and "Martha" began. Exact same person. I hope to see her actress in many other shows. Fucking amazing performance. Even if she wasn't anything like Fiona, it would have been amazing, but the fact that it was her mannerism, speech patterns, accent…absolute poetry. I was sad thinking her obesity would stop her from getting roles (I'm neither fatphobic or health at any size. Being fat is unhealthy, but if someone wants to live that way so be it), but at least all the popularity of baby reindeer and her completely overshadowing Mr. play-himself-narcissist-Gadd is a win.

3)Speaking of playing himself. God what a bad decision. He wasn't a bad actor at all, but he was trying to play himself in his 20s. I was racking my brain the entire time watching thinking how the fuck did they cast this decrepit scrote to play a young man.

4) Gadd didn't CARE if anyone was doxxed. More importantly, he didn't care if Fiona was doxxed, despite his culpability in pursuing her. Gadd seemed to have hidden Mr. Rapist way better than he did his stalker. Fucking males always spend more consideration toward their own no matter how much worse they were.The amount of harm done by Fiona was no where comparable to the man who drugged and raped him. He fucking sexualized Fiona her, ate up her praise and confused a mentally ill woman. He let people get caught up in the cross fire of a potentially dangerous woman because he felt invulnerable despite leaving family and friends in peril. Tranny got his hair ripped and he didn't want to admit it because he loved her adoration. Gadd even talked about how much he loved the tranny.

5) Gad was obsessed with her as much as she was with him. He created the situation, guided it and had every opportunity to stop it. These situations are never afforded by women who have stalkers. He needed her validation which is a big thing with creepy men like trannies and narcs. She was a constant fuel. While I don't believe Gadd is completely lying, and she obviously was dangerous, I do believe he lied several times for dramatic effect, make her more culpable (despite her probably already crossing lines) to somehow show her as absolutely insane, when she was coaxed into a portion of it. She's batshit clearly, so I don't want to absolve her of anything. To call the cutie pie actress fat while she's beautiful was a real dick move on Fiona's part.

6) Gad genuinely admits he goaded it and encouraged it and failed to report properly. A saving grace of the show and why I can still appreciate it. It's a good account of people with self destructive behavior and how they hurt the ones around them. He fairly owns up to that. The problem I see is how society sees THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND SELF REFLECTION to be a virtue. Fuck, Gadd is celebrated as a victim and being brave because he understands abusive cycles of grooming and sexual abuse. Yeah maybe, but the vulnerability Gadd had vs. a woman is different. With Gadd it was sheer career aspirations. Women have a mixed of career and weakness. Gadd was a deadbeat with a shit career and not talent. He prostituted himself. Women will do it, but society won't think of it as rape. Hell, we had Harvey Weinsteins victims fucking destroyed in court all for being trapped in a room for him because they thought they were going to get a part due to their talents. It's not the same, males. I still give Gadd credit that while I watched I saw him as a retard, my boyfriend thought he was insufferably retarded and couldn't watch some of it and showed the depravity of how males deal with stalking.

7) Men miss the point unfortunately. Gadd and probably more so, producers made sure to hit home that his emotional damage made him a not so great person. He would ditch his girlfriend so he could get raped in order for a chance to be famous. Not saying that's right, but fuck, the way men chimp out for him are the same that laugh and say whore and attention seeker. I see some people doing this to Gadd on this thread, and I'm not exactly comfortable with all of it, but his behavior with Fiona clearly warranted his precious victim status.

8) Last one. This came out too long but I really enjoyed the series. Gadd isn't saying anything because he feels a certain way about the internet figuring out who are the real people in baby reindeer. He's taking appropriate legal advise for prospective litigation. His latest interview he said "last time I speak about the subject." Of course it is. You don't care. He admitted how it's the age where this is inevitable and yet still pursued this show, still advised Martha's actress on exactly who Fiona is to a T. I 100% know that Martha's actress listened to hundred of saved messages of Fiona. I don't doubt Fiona sent those emails, and did a bunch of creepy stuff. He exaggerated much, maybe forgot a detail or two, but seeing Fiona on Piers convinced me she's pretty insane and was pretty insane about them. She says she has better taste and she should have. He's ugly, losery as fuck. A take away is that men can say "hey I was also a piece of shit" while a woman said "hey I was drunk and raped." and all the world of scrotes and handmaidens come out with heaven's trumpets to play for the male.

>>1994736
The first thing that came to my mind was Super Hans as well. Particularly that early episode where Jez is trying to remember "the bad thing" he did while high with the episode ending with him remembering that he went down on Hans, being somewhat talked into it after Hans went down on him.

impending lolsuit on the horizon. Stay tuned, nonnas. Also just a note on the fallout of Baby Reindeer: Has anyone else noticed a sort of "peaking"? A lot of true crime podcasts are a bunch of yas kweening retards and even they're starting to make a point of talking about cases like that Buck guy who was manipulating gay addicts into sexual abuse using drugs to lure them in and going out of their way to talk about how these things are prevalent in gay communities

>>1994980
I really do feel for her, I feel like she just wanted a normal life (job, boyfriend) but is so mentally ill that she never was able to achieve either. She is loving the attention lets be honest

>>1994990
I don't disagree that she's loving the attention because I bet on some level seeing people pick apart Gadd feels like validation to her delusions. Even if she's a stalker, I really do feel like he knew she was going to see this while fully aware that she is liable to harm herself (like at the bus stop) over this situation. He's already backtracking his story. In all likelihood she's probably as nutty as the average lolcow which is about half as crazy as he claims

>>1994999
i don't think she did half the shit he says she did. notice that he put an emphasis on the fact that his tranny boyfriend didn't press charges over the assault. probably bc it didn't happen. she probably didn't sit in front of his house until she got sick or attack his ex either. it's honestly sick that he produced all this shit about this poor mentally ill woman and portrayed his actual rapist as a good person.