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No. 730588
>>730576
> Sebastian likes bdsm but is asexualwhich is nothing out of oridinary
if she gets sexual satisfaction out of this that hovewer would be another story
No. 731375
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>>731074She's selling 50 'limited edition' "One foot in front of the other" handmade pendants for $100 each
No. 731378
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>>731375The caption. But she has made a few posts about these on Instagram
No. 731409
>>731404Fandom gonna fandom.
Well she would probably earn more by selling used panties anyway.
No. 731431
>>731418$5 is very generous anon, more like 2-3 per item at most. I know the prices cause I make jewelry as a hobby and I even have the exact same bails, they cost a few cents on AliExpress, frames and ribbons aren't much more as the other anon mentioned. I hope no one's falling for this shit. Don't know who that cow is but holy shit, what a scam. And we were complaining about TT's hair accessories.
TT doesn't really care about goth music, she sometimes mentions or plays the most known songs by the sisters of mercy or joy division as far as I know but she doesn't have a deeper interest and probably only does it for extra goth points/to avoid being called a poseur.
No. 731440
>>731375Did "if she sells all of them some" math. I'm a jewelry designer, an amateur etsy one, but I've made ones like hers many many times so I know the pricing.
The total amount of made $$: 5,000 dollars.
Cost of supplies (as found on etsy which is more expensive but I don't expect Emilie autumn to know about buying on ali express, as she isnt a crafter by trade, and not very business savvy)
Ribbon: 50 meters for 19.75$ ( from hongkonglostfound)
Frames: 20 frames for 11$ ( from rosecounty) so total is at most 30$
Cost of supplies: 30$
Per necklace supply cost: 1.70
Labor time: .5 hrs at 15$ per hour so about 7.50$ each to cover labor at a "fair minimum" wage.
So final cost per necklace? Slightly less than 9.50$ when you include labor at 15$/hr and if the supplies were bought on the most expensive platform to get them wholesale. A whopping 89.50$ in profit per necklace.
Approx time to make each one, maybe 30 mins? I'm rounding high to make for easy math, but tbh I don't it's more than 15 20ish minutes per necklace.
No. 731536
>>731453I think just because those of us who buy materials/supplies online know how cheap it can be. The "artistry" of writing a phrase on white paper(?) is definitely not worth the money.
I dunno if there's anything new, but on alt music cows: The woman from dresden dolls famously got her whole band to work/tour for free while taking the profit for herself. I wonder if she's up to anything now.
No. 731881
>>731536I haven’t heard much about Amanda Palmer since she had her kid. But yeah there’s was a bit of news about that with her ‘just ask’ or something ted talk, which was basically ‘people are happy to do things for me’ I’m surprised she was able to tour that long without paying people
Sage for no real milk
No. 731991
>>731918She's writing an album, has put a lot of stuff out on Patreon and has a big dedicated fanbase. Literally just did a run of sell out shows in the UK with Dresden Dolls. Really not living off his fame at all. She gets a ton of income from Patreon anyway, doesn't need to ride on his financial coattails.
Saged because Amanda Palmer milk is nonexistent
No. 731993
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how TF has this cow not birthed yet
No. 732002
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I forgot to post this at the time, but I see Kinashen has realized how much she fucked uo with the editing on this image and deleted it, so here you go
No. 732003
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>>732002Nice waistarmzip Kinashen
No. 732005
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>>732003This newer pic has some very sharp, jagged areas where they have brought in the body and then tried to sharpen the blurred areas/cut and paste jobs
No. 732083
>>732081To be honest, she is where Wylona Hayashi should be right now.
It's almost sad.
No. 732200
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Is he for real? His body isn't even cold and he's using Stan Lee's death for more clicks. Haven't clicked myself because it's so transparent.
No. 732203
>>731993She's huge. damn.
Also, she's so damn irritating with her 'so excited for my pregnancy' fakeness. she's doing it for attention. I dunno why she hasnt been cancelled yet. I use Sugarpill and support them, but it bothers me how all the employees still openly use KVD even after the anti-vaxx stuff.
No. 732230
>>732200I watched it. I watched it for you, anons.
>still doesn't know how to drive>claims to weigh 170-ish>got a killstar haul, they'll be a hoarder couple soon>won't even pretend to support kaya's craft stuff>claims Stan Lee influenced him, despite never mentioning it before>Kaya said "Stan is alive right?" before his death, omg guys it's a sign>"these vlogs are too good for me to just post one a month"Nope, Jake. You filmed another boring average day, like most of your boring average vlogs. You'd expect more from someone who calls this their job.
No. 732450
>>732200Jake drags Kaya along to take pictures of him for his "photoshoot" but can't hide his boredom when she wants to go craft shopping.
It seems like he's saying he sensed Stan Lee dying or some shit like he's some super fan just because he liked a Spiderman game for the PS2
They're also traveling again in the next few weeks. You'd think they'd be trying to save up to move into their new house
No. 733154
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I don't understand what's new about this?
No. 733158
>>733154Kaya basically never growing up from her skinny edgy teen days really gives you something to chortle about because mentally jake and kaya are the same damn age.
Jake just wants to flash his junk online and be revered as the hot goff boye who wears makeup and relive his glory days and Kaya is doing exactly the same thing trying to conjure her pink cyber outfit as they both stay pudgy, yellow teethed and crusty.
No. 733185
>>733154I am so sick of seeing that outfit.
she gets so much free clothes all the time, there's no reason for her to keep wearing this hideous outfit
No. 733243
>>733154I think Kaya has this idea that she's cute or something and not a gigantic, thick grown woman.
this type of clothing doesn't suit her at all.
I can only imagine what she would look like walking down the street in that get up
No. 733251
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>>733154I knew I saw this shitty outfit somewhere. It was posted in The Confetti Club thread. what is with this kind of outfit look.
No. 733282
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This is the outfit she decided on
No. 733313
>>733154she wanted to put ripped tights and those hideous fluffy legwarmers wit this, and a bunch of junk in her hair. like why pile all that stuff on, it just makes her look chunkier. less is more ffs.
>>733282that same fucking hoodie, clashing pinks and dress that doesn't look like it fits, girl what are you doing. as another anon said, she gets sent tons of clothes but they aren't seen beyond the haul videos. what's the point in even having them if they just sit around getting musty.
No. 733398
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another pic
"all dressed up and nowhere to go"
nice to know what Kaya wastes all her time on
No. 733414
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Kaya's face when the postal man delivers her new killstar promo pack
No. 733430
>>733346Opens with "I invented react videos for goths"..
We dont care. "I am obligated to do these videos now"… wow that was pretty egotistical. One thing that annoys the fuck out of me is that shes so repetitive in the one video. When you say something once like "there could have been more tgan one outfit" we get get it. And if your fumbling because you can't string a sentence, edit it. It is also annoying and not endearing. Afterall…. she is a film maker lol.
No. 733550
>>733530and this
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xI6aY6CYKjs/Pointing hypocrites and dumbfucks among goths in these videos is truly brilliant
No. 733551
>>733530and this
https://www.bitchute.com/video/xI6aY6CYKjs/Pointing hypocrites and dumbfucks among goths in these videos is truly brilliant
No. 733673
>>733346>I like to call them ~*opinion pieces*~ not reactsGet off your high horse, it's a react. Girl has no substance. Where are the films and books you're making?
Instead of giving life direction you ran away to London and didn't even vlog aka your job.
No. 733674
>>733672He spends the first video trawling FB for people 10-20 years younger than himself to argue with, trying (and failing) to trick them into appearing in his videos so he can mock them, while the second video is just him shilling his friends (most of which look just as crusty and dusty as himself).
The intros with his awful, self-written "parody" music and awkward clips of his musty-looking hambeast of a wife stripping are the cherry on top of the shit sundae.
This guy seems like a flake himself, honestly (and a latent cuckold to want people to see "his woman" [sic]
that badly, tbh).
I don't know what world such a person can be considered "brilliant" in.
No. 733716
>>733346I felt quite dumb watching this. Like, we literally just watched a video of a woman watching another video. And if she really wanted to state her opinion on the video she could've just commented like most people, but of course, she has to get money for her opinion. What more do we expect from the ~*goff kween*~?
>>733657That anon always posts these tryhard autistic people. That dude has no actual political beliefs, he just whines about muh ebil commies, while he harasses mentally ill teens-young adults on Facebook.
>>733674He reminds me of Shoe, faux liberals/egalitarians who secretly (not really tho) want to be right-wing. He's (whatever his name is, plz don't tell me) a cuckold, and Shoe dated a black guy, has a DDLG fetish and pretends to be bisexual so they won't be accepted. They probably cry every night. SAD!
No. 733844
>>733674Well, he is doing exactly the same thing you are doing here, so what's the matter?
>>733672Well, he concentrated on self identifying communists. Some of them do happen to support Sanders. About the difference you mean that socialists would get shot 1st as a reactionary element after communist revolution?
>>733657He does not look overweight TBH. He has so skinny arms.
No. 733980
>>733844>Well, he is doing exactly the same thing you are doing here, so what's the matter?Nope. Unlike your unhygienic cuckold king, we're not 40+ men who argue with teenage girls and young adults who don't even do anything bad or particularly remarkable besides having political views.
We also don't big up cringy spergs who "aren't afraid to wear MAGA hats, so fuck you!1!!!1" (kek). Stop filling this place with trash, no one here likes or agrees with your autism.
No. 733992
>>730896If she can't make up her mind on something as essential as knowing where to live, who to marry and what to do for a career then honestly I'm actually hoping she's not lying about the early menopause.
She's too self-centered to be a half decent mom.
No. 734099
>>733980nice sperging, yes what you do here is were much similar, even if you are a female and younger than 40+ (yout obsession with age seems to point out you are around eraly 20s MAX, at least on mental level).
>>733675why does it matter?
No. 734105
>>733980>who don't even do anything bad or particularly remarkable besides having political views. supporting political system that led to deaths of aroun 100.000.000 is nothing remarkable?
Well they are exactly like nazi goths - they would be among first to get killed by death squads when their dream system comes to power
>Stop filling this place with trash, no one here likes or agrees with your autism.That's not true, so speak for yourself.
No. 734138
>>734099>>734105How is what we do here on an anonymous imageboard similar? You don't have to have an obsession with youth to notice that it's pathetic for 40 year old men to target and attack young women who are still learning about politics and aren't actually hurting anybody all because their views get him buttblasted. Sorry.
It's also funny that he won't touch "Nazi goths", and tries to convince us that nationalism and ethnonationalism are two totally different things (even though he angrily insists that communism and anarchocommunism are totally the same thing in his first video).
>That's not true, so speak for yourself.Point out one person who responded to your "brilliant" posts positively.
No. 734158
>>733980Thank you, well said.
I'm really tired of this robot who keeps posting his "political" bullshit here for some reason and shilling for the alt-right. Either he's trolling or he's seriously trying to agitate here, which is bizarre. At least go back to the Tradthot thread where it's at least slightly on-topic (even though still cringy as fuck) and stop posting this nonsense here.
No. 734165
>>734147So he stuck an outfit video into another of his vlogs. At least he did a better job than TT.
But, I don't get why he makes vlogs. People usually film interesting stuff, he just films himself going on errands. Yawn.
And kek the "please subscribe please" caption at the end.
No. 734469
>>734138Communist goths and nazi goths are both groups of dumbfucks. I don't see anything controversial in that.
>I'm really tired of this robot"That robot" is at least two people, so stop behaving like an NPC with your mantra about "no one gives a damn someone supports far left but we do give a damn if someone does not bash far right 24/7" and such sperging. If you are so left leaning you refuse to accept that your views are not immune to criticism we have bad news for you - they are not immune. Exactly like views of racist antisemitic pricks are not immune. And we happen to discus at least a one example of such behavior in the past and no one protested. But when someone brought to the light some far left supporters you started your screeching about "bot". Far left is exactly as retarded ideology as far right. Grow up and get over it.
No. 734518
>>734469"stop behaving like an NPC"
end your life please
No. 734542
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And scam people with your chav boyfriend.
No. 734581
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>>730576The fact that emo faggots and lolitas call themselves "goth" only proves how utterly retarded and ignorant they are.
Fuck off conformist pieces of shit
No. 734649
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Kaya actually payed to rent out out place to have a photoshoot and this is the photo she makes.
that pose. how was she ever an alt model
No. 734657
>>734649wow such an unflattering pose
Also I didn't know tacky 90s emo fashion was back. Complete with striped arm- AND legwarmers!
No. 734669
>>734649She really needs to drop this "pink perky goth" meme, it's embarrassing and tacky as all fuck. She can't put together a decent, flattering outfit with that scheme to save her life, and she's nowhere near cute enough to make tackiness look good.
>>734469You're such an NPC that you'd unironically link us to this
>>733530 cringy bullshit and call it "brilliant" because it uses buzzwords that make you feel safe and special, and it targets those evil, terrible young people whose opinions don't line up with yours. Maybe if you'd link some actually decent, milky content and not a low quality video of some middle aged man attacking random teenagers on the internet, and praising other middle aged people who still have the minds of teenagers (much like himself), people wouldn't tell you to piss off. Nice job not actually addressing anything I said, either.
I didn't even say "I'm really tired of this robot" anywhere in my own posts, but I agree with that wholeheartedly. No one ITT ever brought up politics except you. No one gives a fuck except you. We are here to laugh. Go back to whatever echo chamber you slinked out of.
No. 734686
>>734669>You're such an NPC that you'd unironically link us to this >>733530Did I? How do you know if it was me? Maybe it was not? What is your evidence?
>No one ITT ever brought up politics except you. That's not true. There is at least 2-3 other anons that did. So quit your sperging just because in real life not everyone agrees with your political views. Most goths are both anti far left and anti far right. If you have problem with that I suggest shutting in your basement and not coming out of it. Or growing up.
No. 734697
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The alt-right ESL autist screeching at people aside, Snowy stays going back to her normie life. Alt fashion always looked like a Halloween costume on her.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqVPCQQBo3F/ No. 734709
>>734688>Just shut the fuck up, holy fuck.said the one who continues and continues own senseless sperging over the fact someone dares to not agree with you
>>734697
>alt-righyes, being anti nazi is so alt-right these days. Ah wait alt-right means being against alt-left, right? Damn even center-left is alt-right nowadays.
>>734697
>Snowy stays going back to her normie life. Alt fashion always looked like a Halloween costume on her.And where is the milk about that?
No. 734712
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>>734657I would not say that costume has any particular subculture vibe.
Well stripes are generic punk fashion element since the '80s with so called trad goths included.
No. 734716
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>>734713That reminds me of when Kerli was pushing that "bubble goth" thing for a hot minute in like 2013. It wasn't even really working for her back then, honestly, not sure why TT thinks she's made different.
No. 734758
>>734428Her vlogs are so low quality now. And the excuse is nobody had makeup on. So? The vlog is about the place, not you.
And wtf:
>you need to be a patron if you want to know my moving plansLiterally charging people to tell them her plans, how conceited.
>>734459Yeah it seems cushy, but she has to work to be likeable or the free shit disappears.
And with all her running from responsibility, she seem less like a ~goff kween~ and more like someone in a mid life crisis.
I'm waiting for the shit show when she tries having kids.
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I had to see it so now so do all of you
No. 734885
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No. 734888
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bonus picture of Jake's gremlin girlfriend
No. 734898
>>734884>>734885And you was obviously forced to watch this?
Where is the milk in it BTW?
>>734888Yawwwn… appearance is not a milk hun
(infighting ) No. 734911
>>734908It's the same sperg mad that nobody liked his "brilliant" #Goths4Trump posts. Now he's just coming here to attention whore and bitch.
You can always tell it's him from the shitty English. Best to report him for derailing and ignore his BS.
No. 734975
>>734911I liked it. So take your echo chamber somewhere else. Side note - I don't like far left and far right equally. So don't even try to call me "alt right".
>>734908Yes, this thread lacks any serious contribution. "Look she is fat" or "He made naked session" is not a milk.
(stop derailing) No. 734984
Can't believe Kat von D's baby is still riding it out. Probably trying to make sure they have to go to a hospital or end up tried for endangering a minor and possibly manslaughter. She's being dragged in her IG comments by other self-righteous flakes for using a half-wool blanket.
>>733282I could see a thirteen year old happy with this look, but someone as bloated as she is shouldn't try for cute.
>>733398That doesn't look goth, that looks like stage three syphilis.
No. 734998
>>734649That's a great look - for preschoolers. Her only job is fashion "content" so why is she so bad, and why do her fans love it?
>>734758Yeah IBF is slacking, she's busy with moving. This time though it's very quiet, maybe cos Germany was a shitshow. But maybe face your problems instead of running off, Freya.
Oh and unless it relates to the cows, can politics anons stfu
No. 735012
>>734984Someone asked KVD if they’re going to document everything about the birth and Kat said yes because she wants to normalize natural birth.
Does this bitch think she’s the first person ever to go through pregnancy and have a natural birth? Why is she forcing the concept that everything she does is anti conformist and special?!?
No. 735427
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>>735204This what will happen next. Just without it being tt under him.
No. 735449
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Just when you thought her “photo shoot” couldn’t get any worse. Are both tt and Jake stuck mentally into thinking they’re thin and hot? How are people commenting that this looks great?
No. 735491
>>735458exactly, this makes her look really stubby and i'm sure that's not what she was going for. the legwarmers and jewelry is so tacky and idk what that expression us supposed to be.
jake's not much better. his latest style vlog or whatever was just full of layered all black outfits that didn't seem goth or any of the other labels he put up.
No. 735503
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>>735449Kaya always said she wished she was small and cute like PeachMilky.
I think she's going through some midlife crisis right now and trying to make herself look young and cute but it just comes off as bizarre and an eyesore.
I think she wants to fully wear cute pink clothes but she knows it'll be the end of her youtube channel and her followers will leave
No. 735510
>>735503I don't think she'd lose followers honestly. Most people seem wildly supportive of the pink phase on Instagram.
She should just go ahead and change the style, her personality is more suited to the PixieLocks sort of audience anyway (boring cutesy rambling, interest in trinkets)
No. 735597
>>735503TT's isn't a midlife crisis, it's an identity crisis. Doesn't help that she is so superficial. I think she only sticks to goff cos it's her "thing".
Now IBF is in a midlife crisis. Wants a home and maybe kids, yet runs from her problems to another country…again. You're either going to run out of countries or eggs Freya.
No. 735685
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>>734888nice cosplay, kaya.
she even has the witches hat.>>734888
No. 736005
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IBF did some close ups in her new vid, and yikes
No. 736189
>>736087Spoiler- he deletes the comments to help his FANS.And the poor bastards are actually for this BS and thanking him for it.Since when ade people who have different opinions to him 'trolls'?
I really hope all their young and naive fans with these disposable incomes eventually grow out of these two wasters.
No. 736214
>>736087Only Jake would think that people pointing out how much money he makes on twitch and YouTube etc is hate comments.
The only reason he deleted comments is because he wants his dumbass fans to keep giving him money for nothing.
Every one of his vlogs is pure shit, it's not even worth watching to laugh at how cringy he is
No. 736940
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So after a year, she finally got off her ass and tried to fix the attic. Thoughts?
No. 737629
>>736940She worked on this for a year? It's 0 effort. She even did a "house items" haul recently, none of the items are there.
Also, where does she keep haul hoards generally? Kek maybe in the attic, and that's why it took so long to hang some shitty drapes.
No. 737789
>>737785Misread that as eating the paint and was like Daaaaaamn Anon.
If she painted it herself it would look just as shitty as that garden
No. 737919
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>>737915Samefag, got screengrabs of what it used to look like. Yeah they did shove their hoarder junk up there.
1/2
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>>7379192/2
They show a bit more in the vlog, but these were the best (worst?)
No. 737966
>>737924I wonder if their landlord knows about that mess.
I'm guessing they moved all that crap to the sitting room like Jake said and that's why the need to move to a bigger house
No. 738011
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Adora uploaded a new photo of her and her "boob-holder".
At this point I dont care about her naked breasts or pictures of her doing it. What really pisses me of is her lying about her boobjob. Somebody aksed if they are natural and her response is "yes" which is obviously a blatant lie.
In one of her videos you could even see surgery scars.
(Repost because I accidentally uploaded in the old thread)
No. 738012
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That is NOT what natural breasts look like. And, damn it, there is nothing wrong with getting your boobs fixed if you feel you need it and I'm sure three pregnancys did their magic, but why lie about it? She could just ignore the questions like she ignores the comments about her ex.
No. 738036
>>738029That is a picture she uploaded on her official and public instagram. Would it be better if I censored it? Can try to delete the older post.
Edit: I am not allowed to delete it..
No. 738113
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>>738012Still not 100% sure..
I mean, her boobs from 2000, before the kids, looks same to me. She did once say she uses both push bra and make up. And I've watched Ru Paul's drag race enough to know what make up can do for boobs!
No. 738147
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>>738113This is an old picture of her where you can see the difference. Even in those old pictures where you can see her push up bras there is a huge difference to newer pics of her.
No. 738214
>>738113You have to be a man or are literally retarded if you can't tell that they are fake as fuck in this picture
>>738012No amount of make-up or posing will make your natural saggy breasts defy gravity and stand up like two, hard balls.
No. 738286
>>738244The fuck are you on about??
Re read the comment.
Adores tits are fake as they come and if you can’t tell they’re fake… fucking wow
No. 738395
>>738296I don‘t think this should be about personal preferences in boobsize or -shape, but about her lying. She is constantly making shit up from her perfect marriage to her boobs and probably everything in between.
Remember her pictures she postetd from inside a white room where she had light therapy because she felt constantly tired? That was so weird because all the other posts were about having sooo much energy and being constantly super happy.
No. 738408
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~what some of you plebians call braxton hicks ~
No. 738412
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>>738408Srs tho?!? What is this circlejerk movement of being so anti science that you won’t even use the term named after the doctor who discovered practice contractions? What’s so cool and edgy about that?
No. 738632
>>738414Congratulations! Seems like only yesterday I had my baby and she's nearly 8 months old now.
I don't understand why these hags think a few internet articles and books about NaTuRaL pArEnTiNg and woo equate to anything like being more knowledgeable than midwives or paediatricians.
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Oof Kaya looks rough in her new video. Like a middle aged mum got dressed by a clown.
No. 738973
>>738835man its so wild seeing self proclaimed ~classic gawths~ adopt and integrate this pukey pastel lolita aesthetic into everything they do now
its like seeing the sceneXqueens from the early 2000s that are now kardashian clones on instagram
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Oh I don’t know, isn’t he your fucking fiancé?!?
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Not content with one free chair,TT is now begging for a second one
No. 739732
>>739580
>why is her lipstick so smudgedWhy not?
>she also looks like she has an eye infection.so she at least managed to do some actuall goth related makeup
No. 739914
>>739710She's begging her subs to furnish her attic cos she's too lazy and stingy. Lmao maybe they can save this
>>736940Or just maybe TT should step up for once in her life. Leeches have short life spans.
No. 740544
>>740478It'll probably be later, they're as delusional as her.
One fan did a video on YT gushing about Jake and kaya, but it was like she was talking about 2 different people.
No. 740545
>>740478It'll probably be later, they're as delusional as her.
One fan did a video on YT gushing about Jake and kaya, but it was like she was talking about 2 different people.
No. 740883
>>739977>>739782thank-you, not everyone here is picking on her for the sake of it. am all for alternative fashion and like some of her makeup looks. that one seemed like she was eating, messed up the lipstick and just went with it b/c too lazy to reapply.
>>740843wonder if they're doing it on purpose to build up the anticipation.
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>>740802A comment on her latest haul video. I’m interested to see if she actually responds to this!
No. 741519
>>740802On the positive side,the outfit she's wearing is actually more flattering to her than the pink garbage. She's dressing more her age.
But she ordered a crop-top. They don't flatter her broad shoulders or her larger figure at all, and I actually feel like she recognises that, but can't say anything negative because she's shilling. Buying all the summer clothes now isn't going to stop her hoarder tendencies and her buying MORE summer clothes.
>>741399 I hope this comes to pass and acts as motivation for TT to tidy her room and maybe clear out some of her shit. Instead of begging for stuff, she should sell off her excess crap.
No. 741539
>>741519This. Maybe she could use the money for things she needs instead of wasting on clothes and then having to beg.
But it's a big maybe, she's so spoiled and lazy she'll likely keep begging.
No. 741677
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Yet another kill star haul. Nothing fits correctly and everything looks terribly made. Yikes.
No. 741714
>>741539Which is stupid because with all the shit she's accumulated over the years, she has more than enough pieces to use for multiple outfits and some left over to sell for some extra income. She doens't need anymore clothes and should instead be using that money on the things she actually wants like that chair and whatnot.
>>741677Yeesh that is definitely not doing her any favors. I saw the title of the haul and was like "Pfft bitch, it's fucking Killstar. How is it any better or different than the 100s of other Killstar hauls you've done already?"
This is just sad.
No. 741843
>>741677It seems Freyja is much of a hoarder as Kaya. At least she wears the clothes, but with a film and book "on the way" this is what you splash cash on?
And though I've never seen her e-beg, I guess she doesn't have to. Fans support her Patreon even though there's no rewards smh.
But how does she deserve it?
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>>741843Kek, apparently her computer ate her book.
>>741817Pretty sure IBF is just a persona at this point, we'll never see her in thrifted garb unless it's old or something I guess, her current emo and normie fans want to see some OTT looks and costumey black clothes. Because that's all goth is to them, a costume or something edgy you do for the internet.
No. 741863
>>741851All the more reason she should sell all that junk. She could make so much money that way. At least with her the clothes would be in good condition. Kaya on the other hand strikes me as gross and I’m sure her clothing hoard is filthy.
>>741856How could someone be that dumb? I swear her and Kaya are the same. How does one damage that many files? I bet she works with cheap flash drives and doesn’t export them correctly. She’s learn so much from film school I see.
No. 741917
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Some of the many comments about finances under IBF's haul video.
No. 742228
It seems IFB is in a kind of bind where she might want to move on with her life, but this YT gig keeps her in a little money and clothes etc,and she loves those clothes and accessories. Posting these haul vids gets her free stuff. For now, at least, that's a comparatively easy gig and it will continue till her subscriber numbers fall. I feel like maybe, she's just in a holding pattern till that happens.
They are all the same but I do like that she models them and is straight up about her body, its limitations, and what she feels like she can wear and what she can't.
That PVC stuff does NOT flatter, it's incredibly noisy and annoying, and if there's anything she should do a giveaway with it's the one with the sleeves at the very least. She's never going to wear that. The "bardot" one maybe, it looks less awful on her.
No. 742313
>>741856Ew you're probably right… Guess at this point, she has to dress in such an OTT, cookie-cutter costume instead of something personalized and unique (even if simple). I know that some people thought she was obnoxious but I honestly loved looking at the OOTD compilation videos KazlovesBats did because so many of her looks looked creative and personalized yet not so costumey but more artistic.
You know it's sad. I actually watched a few of Freya's older videos from 2-3 years ago and I'm sad to see that the feelings of admiration and wonder I once had for her had been sapped dry. Even her outfits back then before she became a 100% Killstar whore looked kind of nice like the look she wore during a casual day with Matthias.
>>741917Fucking hell, that Shannon chick. Is she fucking serious? When Freya complains how she is low on money and it can be pretty tellingly with all the new clothes she keeps getting, it does affect the viewers since she's lowkey e-begging for more people to support her on Patreon. With fans like that, it's no wonder Freya has an inflated sense of self.
>>742228I will actually agree her. As painstakingly boring and droll as she is these days, she was always one of the better ones who modeled the clothing in a mildly entertaining way. But that's the only compliment I'm gonna be shelling because aside from that, she's just boring and has been for awhile now.
No. 742352
>>742313Awww, she was skipping through the leaves singing "Nature". One of the most wilfully Kiwi things a person can do.
This vid makes me realise how much IBF's dialled back on her own personality and become cut off from others. She seemed so happy then. I hope this holiday with Owl works out and they work out how to be in a place where they can just do their thing.
No. 742466
>>742352Nope, she's planning to run away to England. She hasn't said how long for but bc it's so behind the scenes I suspect she's fully moving.
>>742313Yeah, why does she have so many Patreons? She doesn't give rewards like, y'know, you're meant to.
And I used to genuinely like in IBF too, until she became a sell out. Nothing wrong with hauls until that's all you ever do.
>>742329This set up she has seems pretty comfy right now. It'll be a while before she changes.
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Jesus that caption
No. 742681
>>742675
>the fourth trimesterDoes not compute.
Is the 40 days of isolation a veiled attempt by antivaxers to offset the risks of their idiocy?
No. 742755
>>742466Edinburgh is in Scotland.
>>742329If you want to debate Raven's spending, take it to her thread.
And please sage your many opinion posts. Your writing style is easily identifiable.
>>742720If you want to see an alt youtuber who is what these posers delude themselves into believing they are, check out Of Herbs & Altars. I don't understand why she is still in the OP since she is no longer milky.
No. 742829
>>742675The baby in the full pic looks kinda big..is that what newborns usually look like? It already looks at least a month old.
Maybe the anons claiming she liked about how far along she was were right.
No. 742855
>>742720Don't be discouraged. These popular YouTubers may be cows but there are genuinely good and insightful Goth or Alternative YouTubers who make content that isn't about hoarding shit. The thing though is that the Goth or Alternative channels that make insightful content that isn't about hauls or unboxing videos usually don't get popular unfortunately. But thankfully, they are just like every day people and have jobs or school so they don't need to rely on sponsor whoring like these big channels do (excluding Angela who actually does have a job outside YouTube).
Someone mentioned Of Herbs & Altars and I can agree with that one. I haven't watched her in awhile because she was becoming annoying with the genderqueer crap and when she was with her ex-girlfriend who I believe was poisoning her(?) but if people are saying she has changed and is back to her old self, I definitely agree to give her a try.
Some more channels…
Radically Dark ~ She's in high school but she's insightful for her age and knows quite a lot about Goth and does various topics about Goth.
LigeaRessurected ~ She mainly does reviews for Gothic Literature books, absinthe, and the occasional music. Not sure if you're into literature but on the off chance you are, you may like her stuff.
TheGothicAlice ~ I know that some people here find her to be a cow because she sounds pretentious at times but at the very least, she does offer something that isn't an abundance of haul videos. She talks about all kinds of things from Literature, films, & music. If you're into these kinds of things and don't mind people who aren't "LOL hyper", give her a try and judge for yourself.
SweeneyDeville ~ He talks about music mostly. Pretty informative guy.
Those are the only ones that come to mind who are regularly active but here are some who while not are as active, may be interesting to check out.
Accumortis ~ Another music guy, really knows what he's talking about when it comes to Goth music. He also shares a bit of his personal life.
Kai Decadence ~ He mostly talks about music and does a few OOTDs but he doesn't shill for sponsors. I think he's more active on his Gaming channel but yeah, he may be worth taking a look into.
Amy Nekrotique ~ She's a Rivethead and talks a lot about Industrial music. She has done unboxing and haul videos but thankfully, they aren't the majority of things she does.
Rose Nocturnalia ~ She mostly does various topics but admittedly, she hasn't been active in a long while. I just like her because she's very down to earth in her videos and hopefully she makes more but I do recommend her nonetheless.
And well… That's all I've got. Going through my subscriber list was actually depressing because the other Goth YouTubers I would've recommended haven't been active in 2-5 years, some even deleted their videos… Going through them, it definitely feels like the Goth side of YouTube was more active back then.
People like VampireLenoire, Victoria Fashen, This Is Raven, Thilda Beinhaus, Wednesday Aleen, Spiritual Crimp, & Zeroy Cruciatum. They've all just seemed to disappear and it's depressing because they did make some worthwhile content that helped break up the obnoxious haul videos that Friday & Toxic Tears were farting out.
No. 742905
>>742352It's very obvious her video content quality has gone down a lot in the last year and her channel now just feels like a ploy for her to get free things. However, I think a lot of it is that without her ex-husband she has no life in Germany. So it makes sense why she's trying so hard to leave and go somewhere that she actually has friends and can speak the language. Idk why so many anons are against her moving to Edinburgh because it'll probably mean better content Personally, it doesn't bother me at all that she does sponsored videos or has a pateron since youtube ads don't pay well anymore. Plus, she probably made a terrible financial decision when she moved into two apartments right before the youtube adsense nuke. Still at the rate of effort she puts into her non promotional videos I doubt her channel would last for another 2 years.
>>742313I think it's pretty dumb to critique her for dressing over the top as that kind of look is what draws so many people into the subculture to begin with, and what looks simple to you might look ott to someone who only wears t-shirts and leggings. While killstar designs are really corny, I don't think the aristocratic goth look she wears a lot is super common. Maybe I'm bias, but most "goth" girls in my local scene are the ripped fishnet tops and electrical tape as pasties type so in a way BF's outfits seem less flashy.
No. 743017
>>742829That baby does look pretty big. I don't know how tall/thick cholo goth is to compare size ratio to, but the baby definitely has some chunk to him. Unless Kat had a 10lber at birth I'd wager the little dude is about a month old.
If she did have a giant baby naturally then RIP her vagina for a good minute while it heals.
No. 743040
>>743017As much as I like the gossip about them, but the baby looks fine and age appropriate. Also not too big for a natural birth. There are a lot of countries in the world, where a c-section is only meant for a medical emergency and most women give birth naturally. Not every time you deliver a bigger baby your vagina explodes and not every time you deliver a small one it doe not tear. And even if you tear - in most cases you sew it up and fine.
What bothers me about the pics (on both their channels) is the father holding his delicate newborn with sturdy gloves and a grim face just to keep his edginess. Priorities, people, priorities!
No. 743366
>>742905The main issue I have with the haul videos is that is literally the majority of things she does nowsdays. Killstar is just… Eugh… I understand that people like it but after awhile, it just becomes a bit uninspired to see when that is the main company you're shilling for. The fact that she doesn't talk about the music or at least… SOMETHING other than clothes just makes me think she is a boring dull person who has no real interest. Hell, I'd rather hear her talk about her novel or share some books or movies she likes and just have a total nerdgasm. With the fanbase she has, I'm sure people wouldn't mind hearing her talk about something other than clothing for a change.
>>742956Yeah Cemetery Confessions is alright I guess. My main gripe with him is that sometimes he makes Goth sound more complicated than it actually is. You can tell he was a philosophy major and while that's cool and all, there is nothing really Philosophical about Goth. It's literally a subculture born out of music. But if you can just sit back and enjoy the banter, his podcasts are pretty cool, I like how he features certain guests like Tara Vanflower from Lycia.
>>743229Oh I forgot about Spooky Brandie, I've only see a few of her videos but she seems pretty interesting. I'd also recommend PushingUpRoses if you're into game reviews though in recent times, she's been reviewing a lot of classic 90s television shows and she has this "adorkable" way of going about them.
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Something that I found hilarious!!!
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what is this look?
is this meant to be cute or scary? I'm actually curious
No. 743943
>>743530Yeah I just read but she could still make a video about it. Maybe share what it was about and give a short little synopsis of it.
>>743804She looks sick lol
>>743827After seeing her modeling pictures above, I'm wondering this too. she looks so stiff and not striking at all lol
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Excuse me for the shabby edit but I wanted to include that morals comment. Since when was formula immoral? Kat just tries her hardest to make her choices superior to other mothers, this thinly veiled shaming is disgusting.
No. 744636
>>744377If she's going to raise her kid vegan, that would be one fucked-up kid. Kids need to eat meat. You can choose veganism when you're older, but kids don't do very well with restrictive diets.
Considering she wouldn't vax that kid either, he's gonna be very sickly and even possibly die from something completely preventable.
No. 744751
>>744377Two things:
Is checking blood sugar levels a standard procedure in the US? Here in germany it gets only checked if for example the mother develops gestational diabetes, in which case the baby has a higher risk at being born with diabetes. Considering her weight gain I think it‘s possible she had problems with blood sugar herself. (Gestational diabetes is developed due to pregnancy hormones).
Also:
It is normal that the mothers milk production takes a few days to really get going and it is normal that babys lose a bit of weight the first days because of that.
The problem with milk from a different mother is that breastmilk changes and for a newborn you would need a donor woman with „newborn“-milk.
But, fuck it, I‘m glad she didn‘t feed him with soy milk or let him starve due to ethical superiority.
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Well. At least she's calmed down from the pink.
>>744377I hope she doesn't always put her super vegan needs before her actual kid. Gotta have something for her insta posts though, right?
No. 744998
Thoughts on Dorian's new video?
1 Night, 17 Bars: Is Xanax Really Worth Rapping About?
Of Herbs and Altars
Published on Dec 4, 2018
What xanax is really like, for the sake of taking this honestly very recreationally crappy medication off its ludicrous pedestal! For the love of fuck though, do NOT attempt to recreate this - I suspect 17 bars in a short time period could easily be deadly for some people; it's definitely one of those experiences that I was lucky to walk away from unharmed O_O I do have more to say on the subject of xanax rap culture & the specific drug taking it promotes, because there is another LARGE area of stupidity to tackle - I firmly believe drugs should be legal & we should be able to do with our own bodies whatever we see fit, but as an experienced dabbler, there are logical, harm-minimising ways to take drugs, & then there are the errors that cause endless unnecessary side effects. If you've got drugs in your cup right now, you might want to subscribe to find out why this is a Very Bad Idea!
No. 745220
>>744998Actually didn't mind it, first 20 min is a bit much, drug story with the thing. But then we get to the why it's bad part, the influence it has, the drama right now and how the drug abuse actually works in reality to the lyrics.
For a kids don't do drugs vid it fails a bit in some ways, but as informative and a bit frightening and rather funny it gets an ok. But then again I like that shit.
No. 745221
>>744998Dorian has such unique experiences I always like her stories.
I'm kinda terrified of her too, since she does/did A LOT of stupid shit. I envy her vitality. With all the drugs and anorexia and shit… I wish I would be so resilient.
By this point after the whole trans-girlfriend thing is over, I don't think Dorian classifies as a cow. Unless a person who honestly talks about past experiences with drugs/ed classifies as a cow.
I follow her on insta and she's been nothing but delightful, she seems to finally be out of her slump and doing much better, she's so full of energy and happy in her insta vids.
I sound like a complete WK, but I really don't think she will be giving us any milk soon.
On the topic of xanax, she's right. SMost psychiatric drugs aren't really fit for recreational use and xanax is an overhyped fad that will be over soon and no one would remember.
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>>745026Here’s the updated caption. She shouldn’t share her parenting journey if she keeps on backpedalling.
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That looks like she‘s going to devour him, but can‘t because he‘s not vegan.
No. 745255
>>745251Mostly it is just not enough to have that influence. Colostrum is awesome, but you do not produce that much - sometimes its really about drops. Of course, when blood sugar is not an issue you just stick to it, because it feeds the newborn and is really powerful stuff. After a few days the „normal milk“ kicks in and in a higher quantity.
I would guess little Leafar was given the donor milk parallel to Kats colostrum.
No. 745341
>>744377Why does it matter if the vital breastmilk donor is a fucking vegan?
Please God make sure this child grows up LOVING steaks, sausages, fry ups, and also excitedly gets all their belated shots as well and hashtags it all over the internet. She really forces her awful opinions on everyone in a bid to seem superior, meanwhile everyone knows she is low class scum
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>>747106She doesn't have any racist affiliations I know of, she's from New York.
No. 747224
>>747195Sadly not who I was thinking she was. This chick is another one of those scene-kids, there to be seen and the music obviously doesn't move them in any sort of way, just a look to these types.
>>747217Sounds like a real bitch, honestly, these girls are always so damn obvious but we can never say anything otherwise we get labelled elitists, gatekeepers, or cunts. Why would she try to get a club shut down because she was sexually assaulted?? How about trying to get that person arrested instead? Seems we have a new cow.
No. 747255
>>747224IKR? If she was assaulted why wouldn't she get a bouncer or call the police? She says that she is sexually harassed or abused or something all the time. She was posting a bunch of things last year about another club in New York saying that the guy who has it is a rapist and posted an old news report from when he got pulled over for a DUI but it was weird because why would that prove he was a rapist?
She was pretending to be homeless and asking people to send her money on facebook but it was a scam. She said that she had no family because they abandoned her when she was a baby but her family made a reddit post begging people not to send her money. They said she's married and ran away from home with another guy she met from Las Vegas but took a lot of money from her family and then crashed 3 cars her they got her. She ran away to New York without telling anyone. She sounds like a spoiled brat that has a rich family.
No. 747321
>>747106Hm… The only Neo-Nazi type Gothic looking person I can recall is an old YouTuber named Dreiiabat and if that's who you're talking about, I remember she was actually into Goth music, honestly she was one of the few older Gothic Youtubers pre It'sBlackFriday era who actually talked about the music. And the neo-nazi thing didn't happen until she disappeared off the internet and was later found with the Nazi paraphernalia
>>747255Sounds like that one episode of Law & Order SVU where that one teenage girl was pretending to be homeless and claimed her home life was terrible until you learned that her family was actually wealthy and she had a privileged though scheduled life lol
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No. 747558
>>747324Oh okay right. Yeah, I remember hearing about the boyfriend. I'm guessing she only became that way to please him or I would hope so because she didn't strike me as someone who was into that during her YouTube days. Then again, you never really knoenwhat goes on behind closed doors.
>>747326Ah okay. Yeah unless it was the indi we're talking about and she drama5ically changed from a black metalhead to goth lol
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Oh goddammit, who’s this much of a dumbass?
No. 748627
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Someone probably has but you cry “elitist!” if someone mentions any kind of music that isn’t 90s pop?
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No. 750493
>>750464>Become less of a cow I wouldn't go that far anon lol She would still be a cow in my opinion because she still insists to call herself a "Goth" when she's the furthest thing from. Both her and her narcissistic boyfriend. It would be good if she gets over her hoarder problem for both her health and her living space but for her to truly leave the Cow moniker imho is for her to stop calling herself Goth and actually get into something that she's genuinely interested in. If she were to go to the Kawaii/Creepy Cute Alternative side for example, that would suit her better since unlike Goth, it's not a music subculture but purely just fashion. She's already made it clear she's not into Goth music so she needs to stop deluding herself. Nevermind that a lot of the things she talks about, she doens't know anything about from the Harry Potter stuff to Paganism or Wicca. Need I go on? lol
As to whether she leaves Jake or not, that's up to her though honestly, her being with Jake didn't really make or break her as I'd still think she was a cow even if she wasn't with him. It's more of an added bonus if anything.
But uh, that's just my 2 cents of course.
No. 751060
>>751037She said the attic has really bad insulation so I guess that's why… I swear there was a part in the video where she said she tried using one of those heaters and it didn't help because of the bad insulation but I'm rewatching the video and I can't find it now so I guess I just imagined it
>750601I'm sorry but could someone please explain to me what the "500$ graveyard date" thing is all about? I read through all of this thread but I'm still a bit confused. I don't follow them on Twitch either.
No. 751070
>>751060It was a scam.
They do "rewards" on the stream if you pay, like Jake shaving his eyebrows for $1000.
They said they'd vlog the date for 500, then didn't do it and just kept the money.
No. 751440
>>750707Will It'sBlackFriday return the money fans sent her for her wedding to Mr. Owl years ago? There's your answer for that lol
But yeah, they have their priorities screwed if they really blew through that 1K already.
>>750661Hm that's a good point, I didn't think about that but you may be right that she's using that aesthetic as a ploy to rekindle Jake's attraction to her but it doesn't seem to be working since he's a narcissist and she's too lazy to lose weight. Not saying that she should lose weight so Jake will pay attention to her but obviously the weight gain is depressing her so she should do it for herself. It's hopeless for her anyway since Jake is going to keep lusting after that Kelly Eden chick. And you're right, so many Metalheads thinking they're Goth because they wear KillStar or are into pop occultism. Can't wait for it to pass lol.
>>750758Hm okay, fair point. And yeah, Jake is now on the shill train as well now lol.
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Am I missing something from the caption?
No. 751812
>>751440Years ago…1k..already, lol. ! It’s really not a lot of money to blow through. Are you being sarcastic?
Yeah but they could’ve returned it when they didn’t get hitched. It’s not an impossibility.
No. 751929
>>751812Pretty much what
>>751847 said. I was merely saying that at the very least, Kaya could've actually bought useful stuff for the attic since Kaya always subtly bitches about it and keeps lowkey asking for people to buy stuff off the Amazon wishlist for her. Bitch, you had the money and should've done that yourself.
And exactly. It's clear where the money that IBF scammed from her fans went to and that was for all the traveling she did and she's obviously run out of a lot of it hence why she hasn't been vlogging in different countries/cities like she did back in 2016.
No. 752445
>>752271True, it seems like any video that isn't a transformation or Reaction (?), she gets a fraction of the views and after 4 years, her channel is not all that worthwhile to continually tune into unless you're a person who has never seen a Goth before.
And yeah the book thing is a bit too little, too late. She should've made videos about it back when she was significantly more relevant. I mean hey, maybe there are people who still want to hear about it but seeing how Friday is these days, they never will.
No. 752710
>>752617Yep and even the hauls after awhile will lose viewership, just watch. The truth of the matter is that if you come to the Goth side of Youtuber (the actual Goth side, not the mainstream pseudo-Goth crap), you're not going to get popular in the mainstream for it.
Friday was just too short-sighted to see that her tokenism as "That goth girl" to normies was going to die off eventually and since she makes insipid or boring bland content (the hauls), Goths won't be all that interested to watch her neither.
No. 752833
>>752463>>752525>>752709The handbags have been released, along with a second clutch, a full size wallet, and a men's wallet. They just haven't been promoting them much. I
think because they sold out or sold mostly out, at least according to Avelina.
No. 752882
>>752833Yeah i thought IBF would promote the shit out of them since she helped design. And they may still be selling, I found this recent unboxing of the handbag.
Lmao the guy has an orgasm when he takes it out.
No. 752897
>>752786I wouldn't say all the Goth YouTubers are sellouts for expensive clothing. I know that people are iffy with Angela Benedict but at least the company she shills for is not expensive and when she does do her videos, she has something to say or share that isn't shallow materialism. Her story-times about her life in New York as a teenager in the 90s goth scene are quite nice for background noise and you can tell she likes reminiscing about those times and I'll take that over empty-headed sounding descriptions on clothing.
>>752796I really want to hold the benefit of the doubt that she is genuinely into the music. But she hardly ever talks about any Goth music and the last time she talked about music, it was about Black Veil Brides and the last concert she went to was for Cradle of Filth. With the Goth bands being out and about right now, you'd think she would talk about it if she was really into the music.
It's not even about her having a past in Emo because to be fair, I use to listen to Emo and Pop Punk when I was in high school before I got into Goth so I don't like holding people's past in contempt because people can genuinely get into different things when they get older.
But with IBF, it really says something that she hasn't in the last year talk about any Goth music.
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I have more of these little comparisons coming but I am super busy so I probably won't get around to making more comparisons on design/materials until next year. Sorry!!!
this is probably the most obvious one but her "designs" are bland AF and I'm tired of bored housewives pretending they are actual designers on their husband's dime.
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And she wonders why she can't lose weight.
So did Kaya ever get 1000 people to sign up for that app? She was talking about it non-stop and then just stopped.
No. 754596
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Gross! The thought that those two are still physically intimate with each other is stomach-churning.
No. 754656
>>754522those are all FULL of sugar.
why can't she get some water and squeeze some lemon juice in it if she needs a drink with a fruity flavor
No. 754665
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>>754596Speaking of which, Jake posted this…
They don't usually post this stuff, I'm thinking they're being intimate again after while.
It was speculated they weren't physical with Kaya's self esteem and Jake thirsty for anyone but her. I wonder what changed.
No. 754879
>>754508Again, there is more to "Gofftube" than IBF and her obnoxious hauls. The unfortunate (well actually, not really) truth is that it's not going to be raking in millions of views because the amounts of people on YouTube who are genuinenly into what Goth is truly about is low in number but believe me, where it matters, there are people talking about things.
For example, Accumortis just released a new video talking about "Soundcloud rap" and how it's not a Goth sub-genre. It's not rolling in views but it's there and people are discussing things so that should count for something and it's Goth content that is not a Killstar or Dolls Kill haul lol.
>>754522Lol Yeah… I mean if she worked out, it wouldn't be as bad since she'd work off the calories but uh… No. She's just making herself fatter because she's sedentary.
>>754529 is right, she's better off with water with a pinch of salt or fruit slice inside of it instead of all the caffeinated drinks.
No. 756039
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Why doesn't grubby Toxic Tubs clean her clothes? fukin kek @ all the bits of fluff on her hoodie throughout the begging attic video
No. 756504
TT uploaded this travel vlog… A year late. And wants to stretch it out for 3 vlogs. Where was it last year then? She says its for the trips anniversary, probs covering up how she was too lazy to edit for a year.
>>756486IBF will be quiet for a while. She said she had a "big plan", most likely moving to Edinburgh, which she'll only let Patreons in on. Kek its the only real patreon award she has.
No. 756535
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>>756504>A vlog that's an entire year late>12 minutes of the video dedicated to the actual Korean vlog>7 minutes dedicated to her sitting in her atticwow worth the wait
No. 756657
>>756486Pretty much, can't make a review wrap-up video when 90% of your content was mostly haul videos lol And yep, I see the apology video coming to. I wonder what she's gonna say.
But while I'm on it, is there really anything that she could do to make her channel actually worth looking into?
No. 756671
>>756657There's a bunch she could do actually. Travel vlogs and music stuff like she used to, or talk about film school or her "book".
But something tells me she won't. That something is freebies from brands.
No. 756876
>>756778I think she did upload all 3?
And I love how in the comments she refuses to disclose that it was because of PeachMilkyTea that she got the trips to South Korea and Japan. She just keeps saying "it was offered to them out of the blue" even when directly asked how exactly the offer came about. Be grateful to your "friend" TT.
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>>756876Why lie? It’s just shady af that she’s trying to make us believe that someone would take a free international trip without much info.
No. 756999
>>756876>>756958I wonder if peach milky knows about TT lying, and if TT is lying deliberately.
>>756933The second one looks likely. But the first one makes sense cos friends would look at each others channels but peach hasn't seen/is ignoring this.
No. 757089
>>756671Right. I kinda gave up expecting her to talk about actual Goth music because it's been like what? 3 years and she doesn't even talk about the music at all. It makes you wonder if she actually likes it or she only uses it for show to keep her "goff cred". But for God's sake, she was living in Germany, she could've used some of the money to go exploring around the country but nope.
>>756724For real, not that I can't blame her at this point. I'm sure she knows her fans will keep paying her whether she makes content or not. It's just stupid because the fans throwing money at her all to just watch her do haul video after haul video could've just used their money to buy the stuff for themselves. It's not even being about supporting who you love because her content has been so lifeless and non-engaging that it's just a waste to keep throwing money at her.
>>756876Freaking fake ass… lol I don't understand why it's a big deal if she just said it was a gift from her friend.
>>756933It'd be hilarious if her fans actually thought it was because she makes "Grade A QUALITY CONTENT!!!" Eugh…
No. 757119
>>757105Their last video together was 2016 before peach moved to Japan. On kaya's Japan trip, she claims peach was too far from where she was staying to visit.
For all we know they could be friends online. But its fishy that both kaya and Jake are lying about how they got the trip.
No. 757464
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Tits hanging out for display with no bra. God why does she always look so incredibly awkward. Learn how to dress yourself with clothes that actually fit. P.s no one wants to see your tits.
No. 757485
>>756933>>756958PeachMilky is a pretty successful model in Japan at the moment and she's getting bigger on twitch everyday. she's pretty much living TT dream.
it probably kills her and Jake that the only way she was able to go on this trip is because PM gave it to them.
No. 757486
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29 year old unemployed man spends his time doing this
No. 757519
>>757464god shes fucking disgusting
her face her tits everything ew
No. 757530
>>757464Yes this person is totally asexual. In Tumblr-world.
Your flat tits are sex organs, hanging them out means you want sex. Learn the definition of what you're trying to cosplay.
>>75748629 going on 40.
Speaking of unemployed, is his music "career" earning much? He said he's going on tour, but you need a good following to make that successful which he doesn't have.
No. 757540
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Her unfortunate trout mouth moves so weird when she talks.
No. 757611
>>757604Goths seem to be really confused now.
Most of the ~famous~ ones, even from back in the day are also trying really hard to incorporate this sweet fairy/lolita/pastel kei bullshit into everything.
Everyone just switches between random styles now for instagram. The actual fashion genres no longer exist.
No. 757668
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Avelina de Moray was going to collab with tt but that was over a year ago and nothing came of it.
No. 757681
>>757519>>757604>>757623>>757646Why are you so antifemminist? Are you alt-right? kek
>>757486What's wrong with doing makeup at 29?
(infighting) No. 757739
>>757611Yeah you seem to be right about that. I mean, I do think Angela Benedict has a more traditional 90s-inspired Gothic look but the rest are definitely incorporating the stuff you said. The smaller channels seem more on par, the YouTuber Catharsis has a lot traditional Gothic styled looks (love it).
>>757623Yeah her pink hair was pretty nice I'll agree. I also thought her black death-hawk looked pretty good on her as well back during her Goth phase. The green is not really doing anything for her… But I mean, it's her hair.
>>757643Haha hearing you say that makes me think of ex-Goth (she was a poser honestly) Synthetic Doll, she had that vintage/retro Dita style to a "T" lol
No. 757776
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>>757551TT is a hulking beast (even when she was thin) and her features are too harsh to ever be considered attractive in Japan.
You can see she tries hard to be cute these days with how she tries to put pink in her outfits and her bright makeup but it doesn't work for her at all, I'd say there is jealously towards PM who can pull it all off so easily
No. 758044
>>757681Found the American! Probably the type to throw a fit at that make America great again hat lol
>>757776Peachy really needs to lay off the free surgery. Holy shit she’s looking harsh.
No. 758279
>>757823You mean that not everyone who is against feminism is alt-right? Groundbreaking!
>>758200Ah, so that was just a shitpost.
(infighting) No. 758447
>>758279No, I mean that half the posts you linked were normal tame (non-insulting) posts:
>>757604>>757646You only seemed to link the other 2 posts due to anons using the words “slut” and “disgusting” and “tits” ……just like 1/4th of all the posts on this entire site.
Are you new? Keep your political shit out of here, if you want to post about it you can go to /ot/
Really ironic that you used kek in the same sentence as accusing females of being alt-right lel
No. 758550
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What is she doing, digging up weeds from the pavement and taking them home?
No. 758575
>>758550She's relatively new to gardening, I bet she
is just gathering weeds. So aesthetic uwu plant mom~
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In her 2018 recap video, TT said these outfits made her more confident. Good for her, but the actual outfits… Oh dear.
No. 758697
>>7585501. This is hilarious
2. It's not called "the sidewalk" in Ireland or the UK, which means she intentionally changed her language to be more clear to Americans in this post. Like this was premeditated weed-from-pavement grabbing and repotting+online announcement.
The visual of her in masses of loose black fabric, hunched over a weed in the pavement is too much. Just go to a garden store luv, plants cost literally pounds. Get an actual plant that is worth keeping.
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>>758777> but from a outsider perspective, eh… These looks are just… Tacky. Like fine, maybe cute for a 13 year old but not on someone who is pushing 30She's not the 1st or only women in mid 20s dressing like that. Even Angela Benedict that is half of her lifespan older presents outfits that are "teeny". Yet I see only her being criticized for that in this thread. Seriously…
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>>758929To be honest I'm failing to see any huge difference compared to what many modern alt girls are pulling off other that she is not in the slimmest group. Typical decora kei follower wears more plastic both in clothing and accosories daily than TT. Also looking odd is not that uncommon feature of many "more or less goth" looks.
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>>758933> And I wouldn't care either if it weren't for the fact that I'm pretty sure she considers herself somewhat of a fashion icon with all of her fashion hauls of free clothes that get sent to her. I wouldn't care if I saw a random person on the street like that.But what her "fashion icon" status changes? Punk rock related subcultures know a variety of looks, some of them very "dirty and cheap looking" including not washing your clothes and hairs for weeks. She is not anything extreme compared to many examples both from modern scenes or past decades. Term "punk" as name of subculture also didn't came out of nowhere. If she looks trashy, that's not a big deal in context of what we have seen in the whole history of alt fashion.
No. 758957
>>758952Mohawk with extensions is so poseur acording to some. But so is giving the fuck what others think. The materialistic aspect however looks more interesting. It's so over the top even for goths. I guess he takes a lot of shit for it?
>>758956That now sounds like a sort of more valid critique than "she is too old for this". I have nothing against pointing this out.
No. 759018
>>758921Are you sure about that with Angela? I can only recall maybe one or two outfits that seemed a bit teeny but she seems to dress in a more refined way that looks appropriate for her age. I'm not saying that once you turn a certain age, you have to dress like a stereotypical middle aged house mom but those looks that in the aforementioned post just look unflattering (mainly the middle one). The only one that looked somewhat okay was the third one. Really, it's just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it lol.
>>758929 This too. TT just doesn't know how to dress for her body. What worked for her when she was skinnier doesn't look so flattering now. Her outfits lack uniform and don't fit properly a lot of the time. Say what you want about Angela but at least she seems to know how to style things even if some of the material can look cheap at times.
>>758941Same here, I actually never liked the dirty look either. And as far as Gothic looks, I'm a bit biased because while I did like some 80s looks, I'm way more into the 90s ethereal/romantic kind of look. I guess that's why I like Angela's looks a lot and used to like some of the looks IBF came up with back then.
>>758957Yeah I mean you do what you like but when he said that he couldn't always fit through doors, especially when he wears his platforms, I had to roll my eyes and think "Then is it really worth it to go to that extreme?" I'm just curious what he does for work though at the end of the day, all that stuff can come off and he may tone down for his job.
No. 759022
>>758990Well gee, maybe if you actually made some worthwhile, interesting content, you'd get more support on those sites. The bitch only does haul and unboxing videos and she expects to be drowning in cash and/or support when literally, anyone could do what she does and even be more interesting than she herself is while doing it? Yeah no dice.
If IBF actually does do some videos about her book this year, she'll be definitely one point above TT of vaguely becoming a more interesting channel because they're pretty much in the same spot as far as boring, non-engaging content.
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>>759070Hmm. Interesting. She mentions getting naked and having drama in her after NYE post. It looks like Simon (Coalcandy) has unfollowed her on Insta.
In her NYE video, she calls him a control freak and not spontaneous. That’s big milk, because they have been joined at the hip, particularly since her divorce. What could have caused tension between her and her bestie? Getting
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KVD should focus on her kid and just fade into obscurity imo. Also, why have a conversation like that on social media with your spouse?
No. 759564
>>759484This woman is nearing 40, talking like this. she is actually embarrassing…
Why doesn't she just stay in makeup and tattooing? she'll rake in more than enough dough from that for a college fund if her kid makes it to that age.
No. 759790
>>759527He was leaving cute comments under her posts like "I want that doll under my tree" "I need a dollhouse to put her in" (adora being the doll, under a nude pic of her) and bought a custom Monster High someone made for her for like $1-200 at Christmas. She says in comments, she is not dating him because he is too "sweet" but she used to say he was a backup if her "forever love" ever left
Long story short, she's giving him the cold shoulder and this is probably what happened. I suspect Simon is quite romantic under the cool visage.
No. 759834
>>757604Isn’t this the chick who used to hang out with Patsy? During her Goff phase, she was mostly competing with Patsy. When Patsy stopped being a Goff, Sebastian’s style went down hill into the bland alt mess it is now.
>>757611Luckily, this pastel vomit mess seems to only be on the internet. I’ve never seen another Goff in rl wearing it. Like, we look crazy in general but the whole gross DDLG element these people are trying to make goth now just looks ridiculous, and quite frankly, very try-hard. I wonder what the next fail “goth” trend will be.
No. 759897
>>759834Oh right, yeah she was hanging with that Patsy girl at that time buut still, at least the style didn't look all that bad even if she was just trying to compete with her. In my opinion, the Deathrock/Trad look looked pretty good on her before she dyed her hair blond/black.
I didn't follow Sebastian nor Patsy on social media so I'm assuming when Sebastian cut off all her hair, that signaled the end of her Goff phase because Patsy got out of the scene prior?
And I'm not surprised that many actual Goths IRL don't dress in Pastel or DDLG (thank god). Honestly the Pastel/DDLG thing is just another teenage trend in the same way MallGoth was a thing back in the early 2000s.
No. 759985
>>730576>>759682I highly doubt Parma has a sugar daddy or family cash, IRCC hes from a northern small town?
Parma is a freelance gallery producer - works with public art galleries on their exhibitions, programs and publications. Given how competitive that industry is, to even be getting work in London, especially, requires hard work, skills, ect. Also regularly hosts and djs at night clubs.
The eccentric/bold style can go either way in the art world, but Parma seems to find making a joke of being pretentious far more important than actually being pretentious; like the name change despite being a vegan, and the punk hairstyle full of hair extensions that Parma openly says requires sitting on the floors of cabs.
No. 760071
>>759018>Yeah I mean you do what you like but when he said that he couldn't always fit through doors, especially when he wears his platforms, I had to roll my eyes and think "Then is it really worth it to go to that extreme?" he he
>I'm just curious what he does for work though at the end of the day, all that stuff can come off and he may tone down for his job.All I can find he is being a producer of some sort and related to a club in London. Financially seems to go pretty well for his age.
So far I don't see anything negative to mention despite maybe attaching some non music based ideology to goth subculture as whole in this video. But that's a minor cringe.
No. 760142
>>760071Yeah doesn't seem like a cow at all, has a career and some self awareness
>>760074We talk about her clothes cos to her, goth is about material stuff, not music. And her clothes aren't even that "goth", so what does that make her? She won't be able to tell you, having not much sense of self outside labels.
Plus she's one of the people wearing pink insta vomit (
>>757611 ) IRL…
No. 760204
>>760071The video:
>goth is about experimenting with your gender and sexualityWhy is everything about that these days? Sure that can be part of it, but not all of it.
No. 760207
>>760071NOOOOO LOL I wanted to forget about this stupid "documentary". A friend linked me to this a few months ago and the whole thing was both a cringe-fest and it left out what goth is really about. The music. And fucking hell, Goth was never about exploring your gender, who the fuck writes this pretentious trite? And no talk of the music means the video in my eyes is an automatic fail.
>>760074And I get it but this why it just comes to down to difference in opinion, especially when it comes to fashion. For example, I think Decora fashion is tacky but there are people out there who absolutely love it and more power to them. I'll have to say the same thing about TT, I personally think a lot of her looks are not pleasing but I can accept there are people out there who think opposite and more power to them.
>>760142Honestly if I saw TT out IRL, I wouldn't think she was Goth, I'd just think she was just an alternative girl who may be a bit of a weeaboo lol Goth wouldn't even cross my mind.
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IBF hasn't posted a video since Nov 30 last year. I hope no one is still paying her to create profound content. What a poseur. She's finally bored and thrown in the towel. Fake ass bitch.
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>>760207>>760215>>760204You alt right twats… ok, just joking. Just grown up kids these day are trying to fill some emptiness in their lives with being proud of another type of identity than former generations were proud of. Humans need some sort of tribal identity. Nowadays it seems to be identity of yet another "non binary" gender identity that get invented for no sensible reason. And then shoveling it in the face of everyone. There is no escape from identarianism. It may be "nationalistic", it may be "queer", "subcultural" or "antitheistic", "individualistic", or whatever, but result is always the same - shoveling it in the face of everybody. Even centrists declaring they are not identarian fall for a trap of identity. In case of goth some people manage to keep a proper definition of goth first, while other can't sit calm and scream out loud that "being queer" or "being white" (as USA people tend to make from time to time retarded skin color related coments like "you have to be white to be got", which is pure bullshit ofc). Of cours goth is music based. Your skin color has nothing to do here. There are goths and goth rock musicians of all skin colours. But so are of different sexual orientations and identities. And of different political views and ethnicities. It's music that is 1st and what unites (in loose sense) goths around the globe. And globe is a pretty diverse environment. To be honest it's mostly the sound and atmosphere of goth music what is shared. Everything other may differ and often differs sometimes in bigger sometimes in smaller details. I may expect to like Saudi Arabia goth rock as well as Indonesian goth rock or Macedonian goth rock or Bolivian goth rock, but I am aware we (goths from mentioned countries) can disagree with each other on a lot of topics. And I'm not expecting all goths to agree on everything neither I think we need to speak in one voice on all topics. Even controversial one. But what I agree goth is about goth music first. It was music that made it spread like a plague (including smuggling to Soviet Union or other dictatorship countries) all around the globe back in the late 70s and 80s.
No. 760365
>>757776>towards PM who can pull it all off so easilyEasily?
with a help of a truckload of makeup and retouch in PS, and her age is starting to show more and more with every year, if not every quarter. No white women is childish in look after 25, unless
heavily mixed with thicker skinned ethnic groups like most eastern Asians for example. So this "ease" is so temporary it's often a shock to many white women in mid 20s.
No. 760382
>>760333They probably are, and she is quietly using the cash to country hop yet again.
Has she made posts in her other social medias recently?
No. 760423
>>760396not that anon but someone else who knows parma, he djs/hosts and is a gallery producer. His sets are pretty good imo, he hosts a lot of the alt nights in London.
he dosnt he have any milk tbh hes more goth that most of the cows in the thread and actually is contributing to the scene here.
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This girl I'm friends with on fb made a meme of jessica lovecat and Jess had a fucking meltdown over it.
>>760396>>760423This. He's also a really nice guy and not stuck up like i initially thought.
No. 760681
>>760215Nah it's not "Altright" talk to me, I pretty much agree. I won't deny that Goths tended to be more open minded to certain things but at the end of the day, it was and still is a music-based subculture, not a fashion show that's coming on the QVC channel lol.
>>760333I think we all know the answer to that lol Her fans don't mind how inactive she is, they need to support the Goff Queen lol.
>>760352Pretty much took the words out of my mouth, agree 110% with this and it's why I will never take someone who says that "Goth music is not important" seriously at all.
>>760386Isn't her divorce going to be finalized this year? I remember she said that she needed to wait a bit before the divorce can be legally finished.
>>760423That's good to know. I will say that at least he actually does something compared to TT & IBF. And you're right, even if he is DJing, it's still contributing to the scene what with helping newcomers at the clubs discover some new Goth music.
No. 760682
>>760440Kek, Stephanie also made those memes of the YouTube goths which had people crying in the comments.
>>760352This was really prevalent on Tumblr (probably still is), I always speculated it’s the reason Patsy stopped being goth. She constantly had people sperging at her because she didn’t talk about what had happened in Ferguson. She was such an elitist, I couldn’t see her leaving any other way. However, I’d think she’d at least still be alt or something after that instead of yet another new age neo-hippie.
>>760582I wouldn’t doubt it was the cow herself. What Stephanie posts isn’t even bad,
compared to the “how do you do, fellow kids?” cow crying over a meme of some untalented SoundCloud rapper.
No. 760690
>>760386It'll finish is year, and in regards to country hopping just connect the dots.
In the "where is home" video she says she wants to find and move somewhere she's happy. Then in the Edinburgh vlog she says how she's so at home there, and "big plans" are behind the scenes. She's also been silent for a while now.
She's most likely moving to Edinburgh.
No. 760808
>>760804We can only hope he actually plays actual Goth music but maybe one of the anons who knows him and been to one of his set mixes may shed some light.
>>760690For now anyway. Didn't she say that Germany felt like home before? If I'm wrong, my bad but I feel like she'll live in Edinburgh for like a year or two, get bored, and want to move somewhere else.
No. 761025
>>760932Lol anon i think you meant she had trouble in England. But yep IBF is definitely leaving Germany when she's free from Mattius.
I wonder how long she will make this "country hopping" train, she can't run from her problems forever.
No. 762510
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Gross Jake being gross for attention as usual in his Instagram stories
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Kaya hoping for surgery pointers, from the girl her boyfriend is lusting after.
No. 763077
>>762983They visited Kelly and Jake acted way more interested in her than he ever does with TT. Lurk moar.
>>762923TT wants lipo right? I checked out Kelly and her YT channel has a lipo video already… Is she getting MORE lipo?
No. 763335
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Today's look-angry dwarf
No. 763392
>>760869I work in her local Lush and she's a fucking nightmare to deal with. The few times I've seen her come in she clings to anyone with a vaguely "alt" aura or appearance, hangs around for at least an hour, tries to get multiple samples from different employees, all while her bloke is sitting outside the shop on his phone waiting.
I feel like a twat for saying it but less so because of the headache she gives us, but she smells crusty and stale when she walks by. I'm not convinced she washes her coats or any outerwear, if anything.
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Kaya is now on the TikTok bandwagon…
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Why would a grown adult proudly broadcast this to thousands of people? That you’re so lazy you can’t be arsed to take care of your basic needs like feeding yourself and throwing a tantrum over it? Can’t understand what appeal she holds to her followers.
No. 763572
>>763526She shaves them off deliberately so she can draw new ones higher on her face, and create a much larger eye area to play with. I get it. I did it when I was 19. Unlike her I have awesome natural brows and no longer sport Goff makeup, so I reverted to them
While I do not particularly like her brow style, I am down with her reasons for them.
No. 763595
>>763594The fuck is he doing with his voice?! And that god awful attempt at Japanese!
How do people support this fuckwit?
Funny how at the beginning he puts text on screen to stop being lazy and then immediately asks for things to be sent to him. Jfc
No. 763614
>>763594Since he is actually Welsh and not from NI, he probably cries and does a sob story every time she tries to kick him out. But then acting like this
>>763551Is why she is not confident in replacing him. He's achingly irritating and smug with
literally nothing to show for it
No. 763631
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>>763594"feel free to send me stuff"
how can he say that kind of shit without being embarrassed. He actually thinks he deserves presents for vlogging a million times over about going to the Laundromat.
A few days ago on instagram Jake posted a picture of himself in all Killstar clothes,
someone in the comment asked what the name of the jacket was and he only replied "can't remember"
isn't he meant to be helping Killstar in exchange for free clothes?
basic knowledge of the clothing names is even too much for him
No. 763700
>>763594Lazy, entitled and spoiled. They're his only traits. In his desperation to be liked he's become a caricature, but in his mind he's a god. Bet he sensed a kindred spirit in Kelly Eden kek.
>>763614Yeah he didn't like Wales, thinking he was gonna "be somebody", and used Kaya to get out. But he complains about NI a lot, seems he doesn't want to stay. But he's too lazy to move- whoops i meant we're too lazy to pay for him.
In any case he does talk down to Kaya to keep her "in check". He wants some control in his pathetic life.
No. 763794
>>763551I think she was trying to be #relatable to her tween emo fans but accidentally revealed she's just a slob.
>>763631Wtf am I looking at? I'm all for creativity but this ain't it chief.
No. 764826
>>764807Oh hell yeah nobody feels sorry for Kaya, she's just as bad.
But Jake is that bit more delusional. Acts like he's the shit, with 0 accomplishments and while freeloading off another freeloader.
Their relationship is perfect in that train wreck way.
No. 764829
>>763700>Jake didn't like Wales, used Kaya to get out.Shit, he pulled an IBF.
>>764819In a video he said he has no contact with family these days. Guess he'd escaped to Wales to cut ties, but then hated it there. Kaya offered a second escape to NI and he accepts…And then hates NI. Where you hopping next Jake?
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Whew! Adora is thirst trapping hard right now with the B&W photo shoots. On the first set she got almost 7k likes. The next set got 5k, and the last picture only 2k. We get it girl. You're naked in your room wearing big ass boots and black panties.
I feel like New Years was a turning point for her. She and Coalcandy had a falling out, he just left to go study abroad for 5 months. Next thing you know she's taking her daughter for her first piercing (#familyvalues) and posting Insta-raunch. I feel like she could be better than this, you know?
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On december 4th, Nadia, who is Mr Owl's ex girlfriend posted this. Whaaaaat? 21st birthday??? How old was she when she was dating him? He is in his 40s and the girl was like 19,20? I realized she was younger than him, but man, does she look bad for a 21 year old. I imagined she was like 24, 25 at minimum
No. 766169
>>765117I'm pretty sure "21" is a joke. It's pretty standard among women getting older.
Otherwise that means Owl was dating her when she was barely legal. Didn't they go out for about two years? And split over a year ago? Not a good look at 40 TBH
No. 766203
The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.
No. 766204
The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.
No. 766205
The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.
No. 766206
The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.
No. 766207
The unfortunate thing with both Kaya and Jake is that they both have these illusions of grandeur which will prevent them from leading normal lives in the future. Of course this is all self inflicted, kaya couldn’t keep a job at Lush because she simply wasn’t physically or mentally capable of trying to do actual work. When I was in lush during her brief stint there, she was sitting on the shop floor in the middle of a busy day because her “feet hurt.” I watched embarrassed customers shuffle past her and staff clearly at a loss on how to deal with this unprofessional and shameful behaviour. She acted as if she was in a sweatshop. As a Belfast native who goes regular to our subculture nights and alternative/goth events, I have yet to see her participate, engage or promote any of the punk vegan bake days that were held in the war zone centre or come to cornucopia, a goth friendly event that plays actual goth music. To claim that Belfast doesn’t have any goth nights or goth friendly spaces is a crime to her local scene, one of which she actively avoids. To call her lazy is too easy, kaya has never had to work for anything and nor is she willing to do so. In Jakes case, he went to work while kaya lay in bed, didn’t clean or try to better herself and relied/actively begged for unearned donations by her “followers.” Jake wanted that easy life and to be honest, he does have a work ethic that exceeds Kayas, namely in fitness and career. It’s arguable that his attempts are futile because he simply doesn’t have the talent to make it big, but at least he tries. As the years go by, her viewing figures have plummeted. The freebies given to her by budding and established brands, has lessened as the years have went by. When Laya and Jake reach their thirties (which is roughly between 3-5 years) this way of life for them will be obsolete, in the sense that deserving, forward-thinking, passionate and creative younger goths will usurp them. For example, Kelly Eden did a renovation project in her mums family home, it took her approx 1 week and she did all of the manual work and paid for it herself. Kaya has bribed, coaxed, begged and whinged for her followers to pay for her attic renovation and has made little to no effort in making it better herself. The two work ethics contrast differently. I hope in the future Kaya does some work on her self and realises she alone prevents herself from making any progress in life and she alone is responsible for the surroundings she lives in.
No. 766270
>>766203>>766204>>766205>>766206>>766207Anon you've been triple posting all thread, is your computer okay? Fix that please.
Also, that was super hard to read due to lack of paragraphs.
No. 766412
>>765117I think she was 17 when they were together. Seems the Kiwi thing to do kek
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No. 766420
>>766412I am honeslty surprised that Mr Owl is a gross old dude that chases alternative teens. It sure is weird for a 40 something to be dating someone who is like 24 but I was okay with that because they both are part of the same subculture, so same interests, goths are known to like to go clubbing pratically till their dying day, and he always seemed super youthful to me. Not only in appearance, but on the whole, you know? It never bugged me until I saw that post on her insta. I said that she looks bad for a 21 year old but without her makeup she looks young like a 25 year old, no problem.
Now, her being SEVENTEEN when they first got together, that sure is gross. A 17 year old has NO experiences that can relate to a 40 something, even a youthful one. A 20 something works, has been in adult relationships (both romantic and friendships), etc etc. A 17 year old doesn't.
Do you guys remember that one of them said that her parents were also goths? Well, if she is a 21 year old, her parents and Mr Owl both were clubbing together as teens in the 90s. Weird
No. 766442
>I am honeslty surprised that Mr Owl is a gross old dude that chases alternative teens.
Wait, based on what did you assumed that he was the one chasing? Or that there were any chase at all?
> It sure is weird for a 40 something to be dating someone who is like 24
Yet it's not the biggest age gap humanity has witness ed. Some people are into necrophilia, you know.
>but I was okay with that because they both are part of the same subculture, so same interests,
Isn't NZ scene like 5 people per island anyway?
>goths are known to like to go clubbing pratically till their dying day,
Given the suicide rate among goths it may be kinda shorter than you mean it. But I get the point.
>and he always seemed super youthful to me. Not only in appearance, but on the whole, you know?
Men in late 30s/early40s aren't rusty dire skeletons, you know. OK, we are not counting Bill Murray here.
>It never bugged me until I saw that post on her insta. I said that she looks bad for a 21 year old but without her makeup she looks young like a 25 year old, no problem.
Under the fucktone of makeup she wears she may be in her 40s as well and we won't be able to tell.
>Now, her being SEVENTEEN when they first got together, that sure is gross.
Yes, being a teenager fucking sucks. Yes, I'm speaking from experience.
> A 17 year old has NO experiences that can relate to a 40 something, even a youthful one.
Life of 17 years old girl in war zone region of the world is often pretty damn intense compared to 40 years old unemployed German male living on welfare in Tyrol. So I beg to differ.
> A 20 something works, has been in adult relationships (both romantic and friendships), etc etc. A 17 year old doesn't.
20 something and adult relationship sounds like a damn oxymoron nowadays, especially in so called modern 1st world countries.
>Do you guys remember that one of them said that her parents were also goths? Well, if she is a 21 year old, her parents and Mr Owl both were clubbing together as teens in the 90s.
So half of the tension less in "pappa" - "future son-in-law" relationships.
>Weird
Goffs luv weird. They breath weird, eat weird, drink weird and emit weird from all pores of their bodies.
No. 766581
>>766203Well said anon, I couldn't have said it better myself (well except the knowing her part since I don't live in the UK) but I can certainly believe this because back when I used to watch her in 2014-2016, she did complain about her job and having to stand for her shift. She's just a lazy sloth of a person. Jake is insufferable with an undeserving ego but I will give him the credit that putrid personality aside, he does seem to have a work ethic as he did work at his job to help support them both while Kaya lounged about doing nothing. And this all wouldn't be so bad if she actually made WORTHWHILE Content. She's lounged about doing shitty hauls and box open videos for the past year going on two and they're boring as fuck and soon no one is going to care about them at all. She doesn't talk about anything interesting, she doesn't go out and participate with the alternative scene, she doesn't even do fun things like cooking projects or anything like that. I mean fuck… Her channel is just lower than average and you're right, once she and Jake hit their 30s, they're going to lose their support as we'll have newer, younger alternative YouTubers who will be much more interesting than they are. I can only hope that they actually used their brains and have been saving some money because they're definitely going to need it when that time comes, it's really only a matter of time.
We can joke about IBF as she's a husk of what she used to be but at least back in her prime, she made interesting or engaging content until she moved to Germany and become the GOFF QVC Queen and she has a bit more staying power than Kaya (though her's will run out too if she doesn't get her butt in gear and actually make interesting content again).
It's just sad because I used to look up to these people when I was younger thinking they were so interesting and would always make time to watch them but eventually the curtain was lifted and I saw these people for the boring, non-interesting people they really are. I mean I wasn't expecting them to lead these exciting lives but they don't even seem to have any actual interests outside of clothes and makeup.
No. 766599
>>766581I dont like TT as much as anyone but every time someone says that she's lazy and that her feet hurting is a lie I can only think the person is 12. Based on her complaints, she seems to have a orthopedic problem. I do believe her pain is real and that it makes working standing up impossible. But, with all that being said, I guess her main problem is depression. She could have a more normal life if she got treatment for the orthopedic issues but she won't. As she won't do anything that is in her power. That's textbook depression.
She should get a grip and realize that nothing will ever change if she doesn't start to seek treatment for all of her issues, starting with her mental health. She will never improve if she ignores that
No. 766646
>>766599I think TT is lazy and entitled, but I do agree that she probably had a real problem with her feet. It sounds like plantar fasciitis which is common in retail employees who stand all day and genuinely is painful as fuck. It's also brought on my rapid weight gain. That said, sitting in the middle of the floor because of this like
>>766203 said is fucking ridiculous and illustrates that she doesn't care about fixing any of the obvious problems she has, she just wants attention and for people to feel sorry for her.
No. 766722
>>766599I mean I stand all day at my job and sure it's not comfortable but we gotta do what we gotta do. But okay, let's say that she really does have a medical problem with her feet (though I'm sure it's also because of the significant weight gain), there are jobs where she could sit (assuming she's any good at computer typing) but I could forgive this all if she actually did something even if it was freelance writing, drawing, etc. but even her shop was half-ass. This is the main reason why I think she's lazy tbh.
And okay yes, depression sucks but she's been talking about depression since 2015 and has yet to get some help and it's like 3 years later. You can't get help unless you help yourself. I'm not sure what the health laws are like in the UK but surely there is a place she could've went that would've helped?
>>766656And all this. I wouldn't even be saying all this if Kaya wasn't such a begger for even the most simplest of things. Have you seen her wishlist? Some of that stuff she could easily just get on her own without it being gifted. And I think you're right that she's just a materialistic sponge with hoarders syndrome where she'll never be satisfied with the things she has and wants more whether she really needs it or has the room for it be damned.
>>7666656 months is definitely a long time but fuck, it's better than nothing. Jake obviously doesn't care to listen to her and she's far from family. Just sign up and give it a try. It's better than being a perpetual victim which will only get worse.
No. 766790
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>>766477maybe mr. owl is not a creep and just thought he was dating someone close to his age, because she looks 35. does anyone have pics of her without makeup? I couldn't find any
No. 766903
>>766788Oh my god! It was a joke! Sure, it was a failed attempt, wasn't funny in any way and made that anon(the whole comment actually) sound like he is desperate to be seen as witty and sarcastic but can't. But it was OBVIOUSLY a joke
>>766829You don't really know what aspergers is beyond reading the list of symptoms on wikipedia, do you?
>>766790This doesn't look like a 35 year old, are you crazy? I'd say 25,26… There used to be several pics of her without or with very little makeup on at Owl's instagram, she doesn't look 30ish at all, it's obvious she is in her 20's
No. 766910
>>766896I'm glad we agree.
>>766903>You don't really know what aspergers is beyond reading the list of symptoms on wikipedia, do you?I do. Do you?
> a little predatory if she has just turned 21 even if she did the chasing.It's more like winning a lottery.
> more conceited personClever pun.
No. 766946
>>730576>>766722Kaya had a office job back when’s John did MAG she mentioned how they used to work together but I believe she hated it (shocker) John seemed to have got her the job from what I remember and she said she quit because she would come home crying every day
I had this at one point in a previous job but then I realised it was a symptom of depression I had which I was neglecting
I think she does need to grow up but she also needs help for the obvious issues she clearly has
No. 766947
>>766906I was acquaintances with her and used to chat with her from time to time. She was 17 when they started dating. She hinted many times that Freya was a bad person but refused to say more where it could be linked back to her. She did let out the information that Freya often mocked her fans and called them names but was very good at playing nice online. I've seen a few other people mention that fact though so her attitude got to some people enough for them to spill about it. Nadia was caught off guard by him going back to Freya. He really hurt her. They had nothing to do with Freya as far as Nadia knew after Freya started attacking her online by accusing her of stealing her look and trying to be her. Then suddenly Mr Owl was back to being Freyas doormat and Nadia was out in the cold
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No. 766954
>>766946Right okay, that's why I missed that tidbit of information because I never watched the MAG stuff because I found them to be incredibly boring so okay, she did have an office type job. I've had the crying moments as well but you learn to cope with it and look on the bright side of things. She does suffer from depression, that much is clear but like I said, it's been 3 years now and she hasn't gotten help for it at all. She can't get help unless she helps herself and even if the wait is 6 months, they could be worth it. Because she's not getting any help in her current situation living in a relatively toxic enabling environment.
>>766947Nadia copying Freya? That's a laugh. Freya did not come up with that makeup look, it's simple Trad Goth makeup inspired by Siouxsie Sioux, she has no patent lol. I'd understand if she was also copying the way she does her hair but she doesn't.
Anyway, I can believe IBF may not be as bubbly as she lets on and you can't help but feel bad for Nadia a bit because she was obviously the rebound girl until Freya called back for him. I can't imagine being in a position like that.
No. 766956
>>766946Right okay, that's why I missed that tidbit of information because I never watched the MAG stuff because I found them to be incredibly boring so okay, she did have an office type job. I've had the crying moments as well but you learn to cope with it and look on the bright side of things. She does suffer from depression, that much is clear but like I said, it's been 3 years now and she hasn't gotten help for it at all. She can't get help unless she helps herself and even if the wait is 6 months, they could be worth it. Because she's not getting any help in her current situation living in a relatively toxic enabling environment.
>>766947Nadia copying Freya? That's a laugh. Freya did not come up with that makeup look, it's simple Trad Goth makeup inspired by Siouxsie Sioux, she has no patent lol. I'd understand if she was also copying the way she does her hair but she doesn't.
Anyway, I can believe IBF may not be as bubbly as she lets on and you can't help but feel bad for Nadia a bit because she was obviously the rebound girl until Freya called back for him. I can't imagine being in a position like that.
No. 766972
>>766599there's nothing wrong with her feet anon,
she can walk around LA and Korea all day with no problems and in her giant platform shoes too.
Kaya's problem is that she's never had a job before lush and she sits in her bed eating junk food and watching netflix so her feet and legs are weak because of this.
the first couple of weeks working retail standing for hours is painful but you just have to push through it.
Kaya's never stressed about paying rent or putting food on the table so there was nothing pushing her to keep the job at lush.
once youtube money dries up for her and she's forced to work an actual job then she'll know all about it
No. 766974
>>766972sorry about doubleposting but in reply to
>>766722in ireland most retail shops like Tesco, Aldi, Dunnes etc you sit at your till all day.
I work retail and I sit for some of the day and then can stand at customer service.
so if Kaya actually has problems with her feet (which I don't believe for a second that she does) then she can still get a job quite easily
No. 766984
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>>766955girl. no.
for so many reasons. stay out of Alexis' lane.
No. 767038
>>766956Ibf thinks anyone who dresses even remotely like her is stealing her style. She was obviously threatened by a younger and more creative female taking her castoffs so she decided to take him back. Shame on him for falling for it. She never had wanderlust. She was fine settling in Germany with another guy.
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No. 767052
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I hate that the pair of them prey on impressionable people who seem to think that they can buy their affection,friendship and attention like this.This girl is the worst, she doesnt seem to have a social life outside of idolising youtubers and it's wrong
No. 767182
>>767096The comment about stealing looks was about Nadia and Freya
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No. 767193
>>767052I remember seeing a comment on jake's fanmail video that said something like "I need to get a job so I can save up money and buy you things" and honestly it made me sad. kind of wanted to reply something like "get a job & save up money and spend it on yourself" but it would probably get deleted.
>>766903I'm being dead serious when I say she looks at least in her 30's in that pic, to me. If someone told me she was 36 I would believe them. could be the makeup I suppose.
No. 767255
>>767193Yeah what do people get out of buying them things? Sure its their money, but it's their money down the drain.
The gifts end up in musty hoard piles, twitch donations are a scam (graveyard date, anyone?), and whining about being broke is a scam. They spend cash on everything but what they pretend to need it for.
No. 767420
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>>767052>by requestwould ask who tf is out there asking a youtuber to put up a wishlist but there are plenty of idiots that donate to them
jakey boy tweeted about wanting to get his hands and neck tattooed, can't wait to see those choices. he also saw the meme posted up thread which made it to some fb group and joked about being 'famous'.
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No. 767610
>>767577I swear a lot of these donations Twitch people get are either tax avoidance/some sorta scam/donating to themselves for promo
Where does anyone get hundreds or thousands to throw at someone making mind-bogglingly dull videos and streams? I don't believe it
No. 767613
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>>767609>>767609She out for blood had hole ig story about here on IG
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>>767577>>767610What can I saw how crazy is this it's like they have culte I wonder were these people get money just give away
No. 767853
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>>767816I think there's something not right with it I mean she been on twitter looking for this dress I mean if people can't see that what she spenss money on it's crazy I think because she can't get dress for free she hoping some those fans buys it she has no shame
No. 767860
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More freebies from killstar for her today it more to dirty house .that's why I don't buy from killstar her and Jake was on date night on Wednesday in Belfast she put IG up of them holding hands it was creepy
No. 767891
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Throwback to when kaya was sent a beautiful human hair wig worth hundreds that she completely destroyed and now never wears…bet that company is chuffed
No. 768213
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I feel like this really highlights the difference between TT and Angela Benedict
No. 768332
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Reaching new levels of pathetic.
No. 768414
>>734796That's because there isn't any. These threads have been going on for a few years now and there isn't ever any "milk" aside from some anon doesn't like her opinions about actual gatekeeping within the community. The people upset by it are likely gatekeepers themselves.
inb4hiangela
No. 768431
>>768332I re-read it like 5 times trying to imagine this scene in my head. I can't. I just can't picture the amount of clothes would be necessary to actually trap someone inside of it. How much should this weigh? I imagine the clothes were all crushed in a one door closet just waiting for someone to open it and just touch it. Now THAT'S a video of TT I would watch. No "hello lovelies", just that giantress trapped in a huge pile of expensive brand funky smelling, all crushed and probably moldy clothes while having a panic attack
Also remember that they don't do much laundry, so imagine the smell.
No. 768470
>>767532On here, most likely. A lot of us despise him because he contributed to the fake Goth trend. The stuff about him being a narcissistic douchebag was just a bonus and honestly, he's made enough revenue so he'll be fine assuming he actually saved some money to get by. But yeah, hard for me to personally care because he was always so obnoxious.
>>767610That's the mystery isn't it? If people want to donate money to people, fine whatever, go for it. But at least donate it to people who actually deserve it, not some fat ass who lounges and whinges about not being able to afford things she doesn't need and is too lazy to make something actually interesting.
>>767805Then what's going to happen when they get to the age of 35+ and are still trying to do this? Do they seriously think these people are going to support their asses forever? Kaya's not going to have any job experience or transferable skills which will make it hard for her to rejoin the workforce if she has to.
>>767891Oh yeah, didn't she crimp the fuck out of it? It looked terrible after she "enhanced" it.
>>767909Agreed. Honey you're not Goth so stop get a grip. And I agree, seeing how she styles shit, it would look terrible on her anyway. If anything, I'd have more confidence in IBF wearing it and making it look decent lol.
>>768213Exactly. People can dump on Angela for whatever reason but her heart is in the right place at least and she does contribute to the scene whether it's sharing stories, having give-aways, and sharing some actual Goth music. That's how you keep a scene alive and she does more for the scene than TT & IBF combined even if she isn't nearly as active as them because she has an actual job she works.
>>768332"Panic Attack". Oh fuck right off TT. It just means it's time to empty the closet and get rid of what you don't need.
>>768414No you're right. There really is nothing milky about Angela most likely because she seems to have a handle on her own life and didn't fall into the E-begging lifestyle that IBF & TT are the frontrunners of in the alt. scene. I'm not saying that Angela is perfect but when you compare her to the others, she's nowhere in the same ballpark as them. She doesn't e-beg, she doesn't whine about not getting clothes/items, and she doesn't scam people out of money (IBF's wedding). There's just nothing damning about her.
>>768431I'm picturing the scene of old perfume spray, Body Odor, and possibly mold from the much older pieces she hasn't worn in years.
>>768433Oh I remember Fright Summers, didn't know she was still making videos. Anyway,she's not wrong (even though I'm over the fashion talk, just because you buy a crap ton of black clothing doesn't make you a Goth) but yeah, she was way too kind to TT (calling her a "goth" lol) and IBF. She left out the key detail about them and that is that they are sent free. They NEVER buy this stuff out of their own pocket, at least not as often as one would think.
And again, wearing black gowns and Killstar crap doesn't mean you're living a "Goth lifestyle" and I really think this sentiment needs to end.
No. 768490
>>768469what part of that was a pun?
>>768470ironically, angela has actually been uploading more frequently than IBF as of late, despite having a job (and kids i think?). IBF hasn't uploaded since November, even though she doesn't have a job, kids or anything, yet her fans are still sponsoring her. and even when she does upload it's just another shitty haul.
No. 768515
>>768490Angela doesn't have kids but she does have a job so already leagues better than IBF/TT.
IBF is moving to Scotland. She should have a back log of vids though right cos it's her JOB – but she knows her fans always support her e.g. wedding scam never called out. And when Germany repeats itself in Scotland she has a doormat to crawl back to.
>>768471They've found a niche to get comfy and it works…for now. They don't have to lift a finger apart from whining. But they're only 'famous' for their goffic clothes so the YouTube cash won't last forever.
No. 768547
>>768490Yeah Angela doesn't have kids but the fact she has a job and doesn't whinge about not being able to afford things to her fans makes her a whole lot better than IBF/TT
Pretty much everything
>>768515 said. IBF is in the middle of moving and this would've been a good time to get some vlogs worked in as it's interesting to see when people move to a different country. And honestly, even if people did call out the wedding scam, they would be brushed aside by her WKs.
And yes, it's only a matter of time before their gravy train expires. And again, I have no problem if people become freelancers who get supported by their fans but only if they're actually doing something. This is why I don't mind when gaming channels get supported by fans enough to do the hobby full-time because at least they are providing something . Same with cooking channels and traveling channels. These are all worthwhile endeavors that bring something entertaining to a person. But simply lounging about and making piss poor repetitive boring hauls? No, you're better off spending your money on clothes for yourself at that point.
>>768519It's said because I want to believe she really did get a degree in that medium but the fact she hasn't used any of it for like 3-4 years now, it makes you wonder if she actually got the degree or not…
No. 768619
>>768605Pretty much what
>>768618 said. Her best bet are behind the scene type jobs though I too have heard places in Europe are far more accepting of tattoos and hair color than the US. But yeah that's why I think finger tattoos are so dumb unless you're working in the entertainment or music industry.
No. 768658
>>768619Tattoos - visible ones, I mean - aren't nearly as self-blacklisting as they used to be. The manager of the building I live in and like 90% of the employees have a lot of tattoos. including fingers, neck, chest etc. As well as a helluva lot of social workers, advocates; hell, even the independent, for lack of a better word, bank down the street doesn't care about them.
Rant aside, tattoos probably won't be much of a barrier when it comes down to her needing to get a non-social media based job.
I genuinely enjoyed her older videos, with all the vlogs, the festivals, OOTDs, the Q&As and tags, blah blah blah. I really hope after her move that she goes back to what she was doing, and does less hauls. Kaya's a lost cause, but I think Freya's got potential to revert.
Jake's just a fucking twat.
I did not mean to blabber so much and say so little. Sorry, anons.
No. 768694
>>768547I feel the same way, I really have no issue with influencers not having a job per se, it's when they upload crap content (or no content) and then beg for money. It would be one thing if Kaya was just lazy, but she's also entitled. Lazy and entitled is one hell of a combination. She hasn't mentioned it recently but she always used to constantly complain about the fact that she didn't get sponsorships like her fellow non-alt youtubers and said it was because she was goth. That pissed me off because as an influencer you are NOT entitled to sponsorhips, you have to earn them. Companies are NOT obligated to sponsor you if they don't want you to represent them for whatever reason. Youtube isn't an employer either, and just because some people manage to live off of it doesn't mean anyone who uploads videos automatically should be able to. I wonder if she ever thought about getting a social media manager/agent.. I kind of doubt it. Not to mention there are even more controversial youtubers than her, like reignbot and nightmare expo who still manage to get the occasional sponsorship, but she supposedly can't? That would seem kind of odd to me.
sorry for the rant.
>>768618I live in the US and I just went out to dinner earlier today at a chain restaurant (the one that has a day in the week in the name) and the waitress had finger tattoos. Also some places like call centers that don't revolve around face to face interaction still don't allow tattoos and have strict dress codes, not sure why though.
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On her YT wiki page, which idk if she wrote herself, says she has film qualifications and is founding a company. She's never mentioned that before…
She doesn't even use what she learned to film her vids interestingly. But what's the point I guess if it's haul after haul. She'll forget what she learned.
Add to that her failing relationships and failing "book", YT is the only thing keeping her afloat. When her views dwindle, what will she do?
No. 768972
>>768832In an old video IBF claimed that they didn't raise a lot of money, she said it was about $80.00
I don't believe her, but that's what she claims they made
No. 769117
>>769048I don't think Nadia copies IBF at all, totally different goth styles. But I disagree when you said that they have the same hair shape/style. They're just both teased, they look nothing alike.
>>768972Interesting… I remember it being something like 1000 dollars.
Still not enough to have supported her during years in germany, including many trips.
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Lol
No. 769389
>>769146>>769306Who is this woman? She writes in a very strange way like when she says "sturdy as…" and "looks as mean as…" without completing the sentence, what the hell is this?
Is she seriously a great grandmother of a 5 year old? And is still buying shit from Avelina deHorsey! Ok, be an old goth, it doesn't matter. But are you this immature to be fangirling over youtubers and buying their overpriced, not that original products?
No. 769471
>>769389The unfinished sentences are an Aussie/New Zealander thing. It’s like saying “that’s sweet as!” Though now dickheads would add “bro” to the end of it.
Ibf raised under 100$ for the wedding, please go check the threads back for screen shots. I don’t know how this is still coming up when it’s been addressed.
Avelina posts money going out to ibf and the others every time. I’m assuming she does this publicly so no one can say she doesn’t send anything out or to protect her ass Incas one of these people say she hasn’t done it so they can get more money/burry her business
No. 769624
>>766947She wishes Nadia was copying her. Nadia makes some of her clothes and has an interesting authentic look. Meanwhile IBF is a walking stereotype. Nice to know Owl’s a creep and Freyja is a weirdo jealous of a chick barely out of her teens. The only person copying IBF is lilithlunalou.
>>769055Not only that, Mana influenced her hair and her style too. She just says Siouxsie and Elvira did nowadays to avoid being called a poseur (which she isn’t, IMO. She was just being a typical teen back then). Her music taste from back then wasn’t goth either, just v-kei bands. These threads have made me really lose respect for IBF, lmao.
No. 769654
>>769624Yeah I remember she did say she was really into Malice Mizer in one of her older Q&A videos and it totally makes sense since Mana was known for teasing his hair in a bird's nest kind of way when he wasn't doing pigtails.
But I agree, she isn't a poser compared to TT, she's just a has-been. And I agree that Nadia's style is a lot more interesting to look at then Friday's. Friday's looks used to be interesting before she became a huge Killstar/Punk-Rave whore and not really making her own looks just relying on a generic look.
No. 770189
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>>769974WTH is this? I got seriously scared…
No. 770283
>>769974The fact that they included people like Toxic Tears, Emily Boo, Avelina, Dre Ronanye, Bishop, & TheHauntedBat, I have to scoff at the word "Goth" in that title. I actually had to look up some of the other people and most of them are not even Goths (liking dark makeup and collecting Killstar or being into Wicca don't mean anything as far as Goth is concerned). This little project literally only has like 4 actual Goths in it (Miss E, Accumortis, Radically Dark, & Ligea). Orphea555 is more of a Darkly-Inclined Rivethead. So yeah, "Goth", I just have to have a laugh at.
Why do I get the feeling this is just going to be some fashion related thing? I only say this because of the channels are just Killstar/GOFF Clothing hauls lol.
>>770178Believe me hon, if you're looking for actual Goth YouTubers in that compilation, there are only like 4 actual Goths in there. The rest are either just Darkly-Inclined or Occultists (assuming the ones who do Witch stuff are actually into it and not just the pop side of it).
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I was super digging the goth girl from that Barcoft doc until she admitted this.
No. 770320
>>770303Eh that Barcroft girl was not even a real Goth. When I watched that documentary and heard going on and about her "Goth lifestyle" while listing off her Killstar clothes, I knew this chick was not a real Goth and when she reached for her Black Veil Brides guitar, that was just the cherry on top and it really all made sense lol
So the fact of her loving Jake and considering his channel good content is really not surprising to me personally. Though I'm sure Jake is all giddy kek.
No. 770326
>>770320>>770303which barcroft documentary?
>>770283it didn't occur to me that anyone sees Dre as being goth, she is so far from it
No. 770342
>>770326It was the girl who was in that Barcroft video called "The Goth who lives with a Lolita Doll". Her name is Bishop on YouTube. The friendship was interesting but the girl is not a Goth.
And yeah, Dre is the furthest thing from Goth but that promo video had so many non-goths in it so I'm not surprised.
No. 770554
>>770320She also said somewhere that she mainly likes trap music…ew
She is just in it for the looks
No. 770898
>>770529Exactly. I feel bad for thinking that but it's freaking true. Most of those channels have no Goth music mentions, not even in their music playlists so you just know they are just the pure definition of a Goth poseur. Thinking that dressing GOFF is enough to be one, yeah no fam.
And yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with liking clothes but that's literally what most (excluding the 4 I mentioned prior) are about, nothing of actual relation to Goth.
As for the lazy repetitive unboxings being popular, the only explanation I can think of is that the main people who watch them are other people just like them (I.E Goff Poseurs) who feel validated in their goffness by watching them.
>>770554Oh I must've missed that but yeah, bleh indeed. I mean like what you like lady, you're not a Goth. It's funny because I was actually willing to give her the benefit of the doubt when I first watched it. She looked like someone who may be into Deathrock so I was waiting for her to mention something about that or at least the Trad Goth bands since that was the initial impression I got from her. But then she opened her closet and it was filled to the brim with Killstar stuff and it was there I knew "Dude, this chick is not a Goth." And when she was saying how she wanted to be a rockstar and reached for her Black Veil Brides guitar, that was definitely the final nail in the coffin for me LOL
Honestly Barcroft has only had one actual Goth on there and that was the guy with the big mowhawk.
No. 770904
>>770898>the main people who watch them are other people just like them (I.E Goff Poseurs)Oh, like that Bishop chick's fav YTer being sellout beggar Jake. He's way into hauls now, it won't be long before he hoards as bad as TT.
Kek maybe the clothes avalanche TT ~almost died~ in wasn't just her clothes.
No. 770927
>>770904Oh for sure. If Jake becomes a hauling whore just like TT, they're just going to run out of room much quicker and will then start e-begging again complaining that they have no more room in their house and either need to move into a bigger house. Oh and don't forget to donate! I can see it now LOL
>>770922I just poke more at her from how she was back in the year when she did that "How I got into Goth" video (I can't remember the exact name, it's been awhile) and she said every Mall-Goth stereotype there was which only had her painted as a poseur. If she's not calling herself a Goth anymore, fair enough but then she really doesn't belong in the "Goth" Special project then but too be fair, most of them don't belong there but eh, what can ya do?
No. 771033
>>770955Yep, most of these people are just MallGoths. Killstar today is what Tripp was back during the early 00s with the MallGoth back then. And you're so right, I feel like if you took away the Killstar and had them go thrifting, they would have frustrating time for sure because they wouldn't know how to start. But even with all that said, I could forgive this all if they actually were into Goth music but most of them aren't. Excluding the 4 I pointed out earlier, if you go to the other people's channels and take a gander at the kind of video they do, it's nothing but KILLSTAR "GOTH" HAUL! Makeup, and Witch stuff. The few who mention music, they usually just list Metal music.
And then you'e like "Hm… Okay, well maybe they may listen to Goth music but they just haven't talked about it? Why don't we check their music playlists?". So you do that and either A), they don't have one, just nothing but fashion & makeup playlists or B),there is not any actual Goth music in their playlists. It's just disappointing.
And yeah, there is nothing Goth about Killstar. Oh big deal, it has stuff plastered in pentacles, pentagrams, and other various Occult symbols, it doesn't make the item a "goth" piece of clothing, far from it. It's just darkly-inclined stuff and exactly, it's mostly only metalhead edgy chicks who wear it.
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>>771041>You wouldn't call yourself a metalhead and not listen to metal.Who knows. Such people do exist. But metal poseurs at least listen to one band in most cases. Well.. or at least know few songs of that one band. Typically one or two.
No. 771064
>>771061Still pretty lame to post a video crying. I listened and she’s crying for her grandma who died when she was 14 years old? That was what 30 years ago?
Why now then? Her life seems to be getting weird, I’m sure there must be something behind all this church stuff. I would not be surprised if she ends up having some breakdown and turns into a normal woman. She used to be cool when she did DIY shit, makeup tutorials and even talked about music every now and then but now it’s simply about her body and which “pretty boy” she’s making people think she’s sleeping with. She was head over heels with her ex, she for sure was not the one who left him.
No. 771065
>>771064I agree things are getting a bit weird, like the three post b+w arty nudes from last week (she also opened up slots for people to buy her nudes), and the suggestion of what happened on New Years (big fights+ maybe shagged some people).
It would be good if she got a bit more creative as before and maybe took life more serious now she's a single mom (does her ex just mind the kids while she parties? How does she make money?)
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>>770922She calls herself goth in a lot of her videos. Kek maybe she's one of those people who use emo and goth interchangeably
No. 771142
>>771040Except no, Goth is not a nebulous term, it's always been about the music, it's just that the mainstream bastardized it in the 90s when the scene went underground after the attention from the 80s died down.
And I don't know what you're talking about, it's like that for any music-based culture. A Metalhead listens to metal music. An emo listens to Post-Hardcore & Emotive Hardcore (otherwise shortened to "Emo"), and a Punk listens to Punk Rock. Goth is literally no different.
When you see someone dressing up as a punk but they don't listen to actual Pink music, they've been called poseurs too, this was definitely a thing back then. And it's just the true definition of being a "Poseur", dressing up as something for superficial reasons but not actually liking what the thing is centered around.
>>771041Exactly yhis and even the fashion, the ACTUAL Goth fashion was inspired by the musicians themselves (Siouxsie Sioux, Robert Smith, Rozz Williams, etc.).
>>771111Fucking hell man lol Yeah honestly, I feel like she just uses "Goth" when she wants to get attention for her videos even though like I said above, she's just some big MallGoth and not a real Goth.
I'll just put it bluntly. In my experience, actual Goths on YouTube don't get popular or very well known because they don't whore out Killstar hauls or unboxings, they usually do talk about the music or other things unrelated to strictly fashion or makeup.
No. 771169
>>771046They usually just listen to Dunkelheit over and over again while wearing black metal band shirts. Idk, I consider just listening to one band and calling yourself a metalhead still makes one a poseur. While it is music based, I feel these scenes have a spirit. It explains people like Erin Micklow, she listens to punk, yet is still considered a poseur to people in the punk scene. I would assume it's because she's just a scene kid (wow that term doesn't get used much) actually. Same with Snowy, she listened to goth, something was still off though. Now she's normie and seldom listens to goth music.
>>771142It's always funny to me how defensive people get when you simply say "goth is a music based subculture, if you aren't into the music, you aren't goth". You literally don't see this for any other music based subculture, punks don't do this, metalheads don't do this, people into actual emo music (not P!ATD, sorry guys) don't do this. It's always these so called "goths", why is that?
No. 771240
>>771224Anon, that's exactly what emo is. Maybe it used to mean something different, when the music was newly emerging, but this is what it's turned into.
Of course though all subcultures go through change over time, like goth in some ways becoming a beauty contest sponsored by killstar.
No. 771253
>>771240I know, I figured the anon I was responding to is just an OG emo who cringes at what it's become. As for the Killstar lovin' fake goffs, why don't they just call themselves vampires? It sounds ridiculous, but think about it. They wouldn't have to deal with us calling them poseurs, they could wear Killstar all day long without evil elitist boolies saying it's not goth fashion but just darkly inclined clothes. But best of all, they'd be doing what they love the most, walking in the footsteps of early 2000s Gerard Way. It sounds like a win win situation in my opinion!
>>771248I only watched 10 seconds of this, bc I don't trust you and the videos you post, anon. But I will say, I really like what he's wearing in this. Looks like what Alice was trying to pull off in the last thread.
No. 771392
>>771169Oh no, I totally agree. If your claim to calling yourself any music-based subgenre fan when you only listen to like one or two bands from the genre, then you're not really a -insert music-based subculture here- because being such would mean you continued to dig and find more of that particular music to add to your music collection, playlist, etc and keep in mind, I'm not pointing my fingers at those who are merely just starting out and taking their time, that's totally okay and understandable but I'm pointing my finger more at the people who listen to like one or two bands and then stop right after that but still call themselves -insert music-subculture term here-. I mean it's the reason why I don't call myself a "Metalhead". I enjoy some metal but not enough where I actively seek out new bands on a consistent basis (it's more of a once in a while thing where I seek out new metal bands).
And good observation on Erin, it totally applies to her lol. As for Snowy, I never really watched her outside of the "You don't have to listen to Goth music to be a Goth" spheal. If anything, maybe she was forcing herself to be into Goth for whatever reason but eventually got tired of it and thus, started becoming "normal".
And EXACTLY. It's hilarious how goth is the only music-based subculture that gets this kind of thing yet you know people would definitely say something if people were saying that Metal is not about music if they like to dress up in fantasy garb and take selfies or photos of themselves out in the wilderness while having the occasional larping as a warrior lol
>>771201Oh she doesn't listen to emo music neither?
>>771209Contrary to popular belief, MCR aren't an emo band, they were always Alternative.
>>771224It's just funny because if these people actually looked at what Emo actually looked like in the 90s, they would have to do a double-take lol.
>>771253>Call these Killstar Fake Goffs "Vampires"I don't know anon… Would you really want those into actual Vampirism have to deal with these people? LOL
>>771368Perfect lol.
No. 771437
>>771415Absolutely not because these people were around when the scene was just starting so it's totally understandable that there weren't many Goth bands in the early 80s for them to listen to assuming you're talking about the people who were around when the scene began. Sorry, I'm just trying to be sure.
Now if you're talking about people said older people who just stick with the older music because they think the newer Goth bands just sound like copies of the first wave bands, eh they still would be considered Goths because by the end of the 80s, there were more than enough Goth bands around.
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So sick of this bitch ruining killstar. Do you reckon we could petition the brand to stop working with her?
No. 771758
>>771754Its not a 2,000 btssb special order, its a freaking 40 quid fashion dress at most.
I like killstar for lounging around in at home, I'm old enough to remember when you had to look hard to even find black in normie clothing stores and tickled to see alternative brands with a dark aesthetic have started in the ladt few years. If you wait for the sales can get tops & dresses for a tenner they're not bad on a par with river island quality, but certainly not lolita brand if that's what you are alluding to.
No. 771764
>>771743Why does she always wear Killstar and never e.g. DIY? She has a sewing machine and everything in her attic.
Kek perhaps Instagram approved goff "brand" clothes validate her goffness since she's so materialistic. I seriously wonder if she has a sense of self outside of clothes. If not that's pretty unhealthy, and could explain (partly) why she hoards…
No. 771766
>>771209They're pop punk
>>771224Oh i know. The musicians who invented emo hate the word. It's really just sad, less political hardcore punk. I think scene fits them more. Darkly inclined scene?>>771392
Vamprism is for posers in junior high.
>>771764She can't commit to anything. Like she's a "huge harry potter fan" but can't be fucked to read the books. Children's books.
No. 771996
>>771766>Vamprism is for posers in junior highPlease pass the Clamato juice. LOL
>>771909Hi there anon, I'll be happy to give an honest opinion on this. Honestly it REALLY depends on the person. If the person does listen to Goth music, knows what it sounds like, and at least enjoys it (and not want to shut it off lol) and you've accumulated at the very most, at least 5-10 Goth (no matter the subgenre from Goth, Darkwave, Ethereal Wave, Coldwave, or Deathrock) bands you enjoy yet you don't listen to it on the daily, then I'd still consider the person a Goth. But if the person only listens to like 1 or 2 Goth bands and they only listen to it like once in a blue moon then no, I wouldn't consider these people Goth at all.
> EBM & Industrial music in their day to day lifeWell I'd defintiely consider these people Rivetheads or Industrialists as these are the people who love/enjoy Industrial music. Industrial music is not Goth and it never has been. The only relation they have is that in the mid to late 80s, Goth clubs would host events that catered to both Goth and Industrial music which catered to two different subcultures. Think of it like Lollapalooza with how it's a festival for different kinds of music fans from Rockers fanto Hip-Hop heads and Ravers, it's pretty much the same deal with Goth vs Industrial, two different music-based subcultures that tend to be okay with each other.
I should also specify that it's a total misconception that Industrial music came from Goth because it didn't, it actually came from electronic music while Goth came from Post-Punk. Just thought I'd mention this now if you weren't sure.
I hope this helps!
No. 772003
>>771996Thank you. By that definition I'm not goth I dress alternatively, and gothy, but find most post-punk too calm for me.
But I guess nowadays nobody cares anymore since people call me "goth" all the time.
No. 772028
>>772003Eh… I don't really think "Gothy" would be the right term because "Gothy" would mean you're wearing some type of clothing that references Goth music memorabilia via Goth band shirts, patches, and other item. I think what you might mean is maybe dressing dark assuming you're just saying you wear a lot of black.
> Post Punkk too calm for meWell like I mentioned in the other post, there are actually 5 sub-genres of Goth music, it's not only Post-Punk sounding stuff.
- Goth Rock
- Darkwave
- Deathrock
- Coldwave
- Ethereal Wave
So I mean if you're ever wanting to try out Goth music again, I'd recommend checking out some of the other aforementioned subgenres if you haven't already.
> But I guess nowadays nobody cares anymore sicne people call me "goth" all the timeI can more than tell that the people who do this dodn't know what actual Goth is in the first place. I know that sounds judgy but more often than not, that's usually the case so I wouldn't take these people seriously.
No. 772177
>>772028> Goth Rock Deathrock Coldwave> different subgenresStop spreading misinformation anon.
They are alternative names for same set - one is UK name, one is European name and one is USA name.
No. 772178
>>772177I mean UK - Gothic Rock
General Europe - Cold Wave
USA - Deathrock
No. 772185
>>770283At least TheHauntedBat doesn't call herself Goth.
I think its probably just gonna be a haul or something.
No. 772210
>>772177They are subgenre of the Goth genre. That's literally all I meant. All those genres take the key foundation from Goth but layer other instruments within them.
> Darkwave = Adds in Synth > Coldwave = Just French> Deathrock = Uses the foundational structure that is used in Goth but it adds more emphasis on the roughness of the guitar playing.
> Ethereal Wave = Layers in Synths but also occasional classical instruments or for lack of better word, "Dreamy" style singing.First-Wave Goth set up the foundation and it teetered into those subgenres, they are just in the Goth camp. It's like Metal and all its subgenres like Symphonic Metal, Gothic Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal, etc.
>>772185She doesn't but still, if something is being labeled "Goth", you'd expect to see I dunno, actual Goths in it? 4 out of 26 is just laughable. But you're right, it's most-likely going to be some vapid haul or something. Because you ucan't get enough of those Goff hauls amirite?
(Stop derailing) No. 772252
>>772210> Coldwave = Just FrenchBullshit. Total bullshit.You are not from Europe it seems if you post such a nonsense. Go ask literally anyone from Itally, Macedonia or Poland. They used that term in the '80s for both local bands and UK bands. Yes SatB, Bauhaus, Killing Joke included. And Christian Death from the US of fucking A.
> Deathrock = Uses the foundational structure that is used in Goth but it adds more emphasis on the roughness of the guitar playing.Deathrock is just a local name for dark post punk music. As goth rock was originally a local name too. Rough guitars were present in every scene in case of some bands in some tracks in other bands in most of tracks.
Why is it such a rocket science for anyone under 35 nowadays? Partially because they barely know any bands except form maybe 10-15 most known names from UK and USA most likely, occasionally some German bands. So they think that rough and even harsh guitars is USA only thing. No, nope, nada. Brits had it too. It was gothic rock for Brits. And mainland Euros had it, Yugos had it, even Soviet Union and Asians. They called it Cold Wave. Yes I'm talking about the '80s and even '90s.
Attempts to make Coldwave, Gothic Rock and Deathrock different subgenres is just pure bullshit that was not even popular like 6 years ago. I remember typing Deathrock brought just one compilation on youtube around 2013. And all bands that millenials qualify with such a passion as "obviously Deathrock, not Cold Wave, not Gothic Rock" were reachable and tagged as Gothic Rock. What a fucking surprise.
(Stop derailing) No. 772258
>>772210Who wants to place bets on it being a Killstar haul?
Because there's not enough of those already. (sarcasm).
No. 772303
>all of these subgenre namesMovements in the arts typically are not assigned monikers until some time into their existence or even retrospectively. Most music styles of the 20th century and forward have been christened by the press, often to the initial resentment of the musicians and fans thereof.
I was a DJ at two of the oldest east coast college/indie radio stations during the 80s and early 90s. I read NME, Melody Maker, Option, and CMJ, and ordered records from importers like Burning Airlines, and I don't recall hearing, let alone using, these terms at the time. Everything not played on commercial FM radio was referred to broadly as "underground" and "alternative". Sans genre names we grouped bands and identified styles primarily by label and locale. The station libraries and record stores were segregated only into the broad categories of rock, jazz, classical, and folk.
In the US the wane of record imports from the UK and Europe that happened at the end of the decade due to changes in import/export taxes and economics definitely influenced the musical tastes of listeners of alternative music and contributed to the divide between the US and foreign scenes. College radio was its primary venue, and stations were no longer receiving promos from overseas labels. Our new releases shelf became dominated by American indie rock and grunge bands. DJs into music on independent labels from the UK and Europe had to seek it out and access it on their own dime. With the cost of import records doubling at the time, record stores and DJs were not able to take chances on buying releases from unheard new bands. This led to the proliferation of label-based compilations, but the lack of free distribution to radio stations was still a huge impediment. One station I worked at allocated a portion of its budget towards ordering imports, and the wish list was impossibly long.
The selections on the CMJ
Certain Damage! compilations of the time are representative of the dearth of independent imports. Only the largest foreign indie labels were represented while American labels run out of bedrooms dominated.
https://www.discogs.com/label/41310-College-Music-Journal(Stop derailing) No. 772423
>>772303Yes, indeed a lot of these music was "christened" by press. That's why there were different terms in different locations for same music and even same bands. Different area - different redactions. Yet if you listen to dark USA post punk and dark Yugoslavian and dark UK post punk, you will hear very similar elements, vibe and aesthetics. Even if they happen to not directly rip off UK bands. Some of these bands member happen to wear makeup, other not, some wear punk clothing, other dress casual.
Even what is called as "post punk" was known to my as "new wave" by most of my life. I even didn't hear term gothic rock like until the early '00s. Yet I have been listening to it for quiet a few years already. It was just known to me as Cold Wave. That's the name that was used back then in my scene. Even nowadays people who were into that music in th '80s mostly refuse to use the term gothic rock. And no, I'm not living in France as some poorly informed goths seriously believe that term Cold Wave was just French thing. Cold Wave was the most widespread term for dark post punk in Europe int he '80s. USSR included. No matter if it was slow or wild and rough. And no one would change that by simply denying it. The only groups who deny seems to be younger people from UK and USA exclusively. Typically with very limited knowledge of even their local scene's music.
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No. 772666
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>>772660Samefag to add that while this haircut is so unflattering to her, she does actually look decent at the end of the vid.
No. 772852
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couldn't wipe off the acne cream before uploading, eh Kaya?
No. 772853
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this is what I see at the end of my bed when I'm having sleep paralysis
No. 773015
>>772852the point of the video is a 'glow up' challenge, so she had the cream on her face for that.
she should really let the side grow in and re-section if she needs to have them shaved b/c even she knows it looks bad unless her hair is down. at least the video was about something else besides unboxing or showing off stuff.
No. 773097
>>772861yeah, she has a red colored mask on her face in this part of the video, her skin isn't quite that bad
>>773015i agree, i don't really enjoy the 'glow up challenge' videos much but it's nice she did something besides a haul/unboxing for once
>>772666i've always thought her hair was rather unflattering to her face, her hair is super flat and limp and i always thought she'd look better with more body or volume in it, and the side shave doesn't help (though to be honest i have never been a fan of the side shave trend)
No. 773143
>>773087Sell out would be an understatement but I think that phrase should be reserved more for IBF than TT because TT always had boring lackluster content. IBF was the more interesting of the two in the beginning and well yeah… She just sold out.
>>773097>i've always thought her hair was rather unflattering to her face, her hair is super flat and limp and i always thought she'd look better with more body or volume in it, and the side shave doesn't help (though to be honest i have never been a fan of the side shave trend)Hair definitely is subjective because personally I don't mind the pin-straight flat hair look as it can look nice when paired correctly with the right makeup. But I get what you're saying, she probably would look better with more voluminous hair.
No. 773210
>>773143Oh yeah IBF is definitely a sell out, and she's cashing in the results behind the viewers back.
Obviously people can do whatever with their money, but people donate her Patreon to fund her videos, and all she does is hauls which costs £0.00 to make.
So where's that money going Freyja? The same place the wedding scam cash went? Or to help fund moving to Scotland?
I also don't get how her fans don't realise this. Hell this goes for most cows, and its why their fans are just as interesting sometimes.
No. 773227
>>773210Exactly and never mind that with the boring haul videos that cost nothing to make, she doesn't even upload frequently, uploading videos every few months. If I was a fan who was supporting her financially, I would've thrown in the towel long ago.
And I'm sure all the money she's pocketing is going to the moving trip. I mean how else can someone who has no real job can make such a move like that without some sort of money. She has a Patreon where she makes enough to do a move if she had no other financial obligations like paying for the apartment she had in Germany.
No. 773276
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>>773095>She shaved too high for her hairline/face shape.Oh my gash, like she would be the first alt grlll in history that shaved this high.
Yaaaawn No. 773514
>>773276Never learnt comprehensive reading? Not the first in history lol.
Looks like TT wanted a "normal" side shave and fucked it up. Funny considering how much she values looks.
No. 773553
>>773276This girl has a pretty thin face with defined cheekbones and jaw line. Her face is quite thin so even if she shaves a higher hairline or sides, her face will not look unflatteringly wider. Tbh she can pull it off because her face shape is very conventionally attractive even if her choice in hair style is not.
>>772660Kaya has more if a diamond/oval face. Her face has more volume and less of a defined bone structure. Tbh a hair cut with a shave that exposes more of her face/head will only emphasize the width of her face. You have to know the rules before you break them. Applies in both art and fashion.
Shes not that naturally attractive, she face is very round and lets face it, her chin and jaw line sag.
But she'd REALLY improve her looks of she had a fringe and maybe added some volume with curls or crimping.
No. 773600
>>773589IT'S NOT A PHASE MOM!
Jeez I was like you in highschool - dw you'll grow out of it.
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Adora mentioned reopening her „pay to see my tits“-club and the weird thing is that she put down her ex-husbands e-mail adress as contact.
Also, did anyone else notice how she posts during the night and writes about sleeping till late morning? Not what I would expect from a stay-at-home mom, or any mom with kids at home.
No. 773702
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Saw this on insta, wtf is this makeup?
No. 773746
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Dre has joined Kaya on Tik Tok…
No. 773755
>>773746Does TikTok give people money or something? I refuse to make an account, but from what I've seen it's mostly kids who use the app.
>>773276I enjoy this image and your typing style, anon.
>>773257IBF is one of those women who can't do anything without a man by her side it seems, her content gets boring when she's single (which she basically is, let's be real). She's probably on the hunt for some English goff husbando but keeps Barnaby on the side, lmao. I wish she'd at least put out a vlog every now and then. But knowing her, it'd be another lazy clickbait video where she's just staring into the camera and the thumbnail looks like she's crying.
>>772327Fr, I don't even know why Freyja shills for Killstar. Her taste is quite fancy, she always goes for a bougie goff look which you can't pull off in Killstar. Hell, she rarely even wears the Killstar stuff in public from what I've seen, she usually wears Punkrave stuff. Why shill for something you aren't even wearing often? Smh
No. 773801
>>773755If killstar will give even KAYA a sponsorship, they must be easy to get free stuff from. And with these cows' lazy entitled asses, that's perfect.
Kind of sad they've gotten too lazy for even minimal-effort hauls and just shill the same brand. They at least used to have variety.
No. 773881
>>773803He obviously isn't into kaya, and now he's thirsting for not just other people but friends of kaya. How is she oblivious to all this?
>>773874Yeah Ree is married and has a kid. But, he's onto something with Kelly. She has her own thread mostly about being a whiny thirsty narc iirc. Match made in heaven.
I used to think Jake flirted with her just cos she was there. But maybe he really sensed a kindred spirit kek
No. 774143
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Adora just posted this to her instagram. Is she just trying to mess with everyone by the caption or is she actually hooking up with him?
No. 774176
>>774154Click the number of the post you are replying to, and it'll quote that number automatically in the message field for you
By your typing style I think you might to lurk more to learn how to integrate
No. 774219
>>774154>>774143How does her kink make it milky? Tbh, it is super tacky and gross and inappropriate that she lets her kids follow her social media where she speaks publicly on her sexlife.
She has a lot of sex. Who cares. Tons of people have tons of weird sex. As long as everyone is a consenting adult, who gives a shit this isnt gossip worthy.
No. 774402
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Does anyone know what happened to the ol' Deathrockets/LA kids? They seemingly thought the sun shined right out of their spooky asses, particularly Nyx-Alexandra. I remember when someone posted screenshots of them (Nyx, Rissy, The Rachels, Nate, etc) tearing apart Joji Grey and Ray Ren using ~transphobic language~ and they all immediately decided they were queer/trans/non-binary to try and save face.
Looks like Eris/Nate (pictured) is the only one that kind of stuck with that new identity. I know Alex fell out with everyone, anyone know what happened to Rissy or the Rachels?
/sage
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omg there is a new twist in the logan dorian issac situation. so logan and dorian are not on each others friend list anymore. dorians wife is with logan 99% of the time and dorian is not part of their relationship. all he got from her for his birthday was a sad little cupcake, they didn't go out and she didnt even get him anything but she can go everywhere with logan. best of all logan is dressing like a girl now so what is he trying to be female because she thinks shes a guy? i have pics but dont know if i can add more here. i dont want to bombard the thread but for now i will post 3 pics of him out in public in a girls skirt and where issac isa calls him a girl. shes worse than raven was, this "girl" has them so confused and twisted, girls are boys and boys are girls and stepdads are fucking their kinda daughter in law. i smell suicide for dorian soon tbh
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or maybe, just maybe… its because you put on weight. I'll never truly understand how she doesn't see why her clothes don't fit.
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She really cant dress herself. Or pose. Not sure what she was going for with this choice
No. 774713
>>774635Maybe she saw jake is now getting more attention than she is and thought this would be hot? Jake got so many fan girls with those awful images and make up.
Man, kaya is a fucking lost cause.
No. 774719
>>774635This is embarrassing. She is trying to be a mixture of ReeRee and Kelly Eden, and it clashes
really fucking badly. She looks like a SoundClout rapper’s grandmother here.
No. 774723
>>774719Sound cloud rappers grandmother… I can't
>>774635What is that facial expression
No. 774782
>>774713Yeah his fans loved it when he made the change back to his awful version of goff. Guess TT was worried he was out-goffing her cos all you need is the clothes guise!
>>774719Maybe she's caught on that Jake likes them.
Have the toxic twosome and Kelly talked after LA btw? Wonder if Kelly noticed TT's pink barf.
No. 774812
>>774509He looks so much younger.
I don't blame Dorian and Logan for experimenting with their identities since raven robbed both of them of their childhoods. IMO it would be best if all three of them parted ways for good though and instead attached to normal peers, damaged people clinging to each other just breeds negative cycles.
No. 774926
>>774920Tbh it never ceases to amaze me how angry Goths get for "appropriation " and "culture theft!!!".
… like you guys know there are actual cases of cultural damage in the fashion industry that hurt people but no. Let's act like mediocre white rappers and their artthot girlfriends are a huge problem. Sorry to sound all SJW but I find it super fucking banal for people to act like goth is a culture on par with like, actual cultures and heritages that face a great deal of economic hardship from people stealing their stuff.
Like for real who the fuck cares. This is so first world problems. Tbh I bet Angela and Venetery Co versions are the same as every other middle aged person with a big ego. I wouldn't be surprised if Angela wanted to speak to my manager. Lmao
No. 774947
>>774920I usually like Angela but this video was mostly shit. the whole video she's offended by people calling themselves goth who aren't goth, complains about negative associations with goth, like people thinking the columbine shooters were goth etc. but later in the video says people with face tattoos look like gun-toting, drug endorsing, wife beating rapists. even though lots of people who have tattoos don't do those things, so she's making the same kind of negative association that she's complaining about.
she also draws the parallel between goths and metalheads (which many have done) but I've never thought that was an apt comparison for a bunch of reasons that I won't list, except my main reason which is that metal is really not as much of a subculture as goth is. there is no metal literature like there is 'goth' literature, there are no metal movies like there are goth movies, there isn't really a metal fashion etc. (unless you include band tees and having really long hair a fashion).
>>774926I totally agree with this.
No. 774956
>>774926Hard agree.
Some people will feel mad and self-righteous over this, then get irritated and go "iT'S jUsT hAiR", "Cultural appropriation isn't real -_-", etc in certain other cases, lmao.
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>>774947Except I feel that there IS a metal subculture, it's not just as aesthetically obvious as goth is. If you take the great goth books and went back in time and asked the authors if they would call it "goth" they'd probably say no. There is a clash of "gothic: the architecture & era", "goth: dark pieces of media dealing with sombre topics", "goth: the music industry" and "goth: the fashion". Great pieces of literature or comic books that are today considered "goth" don't belong to goth, that's fucking dumb. Old stories that have a darker tone or deal with heavy topics doesn't automatically mean it's owned by The Goths™.
I know people who love literature that's considered goth and they are NOT goth at all. I also know people who love goth music (actual goth music) and they don't dress goth at all. I know people fascinated with the architecture and those years of "historic" gothic and they don't dress or look the part.
Let's not pretend that goth in the general sense hasn't also taken bits and pieces from other places. It didn't just spring out of the ground complete with centuries of media and fashion in one day.
As far as metal goes, yeah "metal" fashion can be supremely boring. Band tees, leather jacket, biker boots, maybe a chain on your jeans, or the baggy cargo pants some guys wear. Long hair, piercings, tattoos. Then you can branch out into black metal that has a whole bunch of history, then viking metal that has a strong visual aesthetic, etc. You get movies whose soundtracks are either basically metal music or they are ABOUT metal music. Movies about metal bands, or metalheads in general. Books are often fantasy themed or inspired from Conan or big epic battles or tales, or bands like Wardruna etc that have a very primitive aesthetic or even in other languages. Metal bands that sing about religious or historical events, heck even a Blind Guardian album inspired by JRR Tolkien. But yeah it's not as catchy or striking visually as goth is.
every subculture gets a wave of "fakes" or people latching on for cool points. dressing "rock" with faux leather jackets and a black boot, people wearing band tees from classic rock bands bc it's fashion, vintage becoming fast fashion with no regard to the form, rockabilly being a halloween outfit, the list goes on. goth ain't special.
No. 775035
>>774143I think she meant that she was meeting him to go on a trip with him. Something that seems a bit weird is that Adora and Simin are in LA where Victoria lives and they aren’t hanging out. Victoria has become a bit different since she’s with her new boyfriend, I wonder if she had something to do with the New Years drama that Adora mentioned.
When Adora has commented on some of her IG posts she doesn’t even give a like to the comments as opossed as before when she was totally all over her butt.
No. 775096
>>775016I love how Cemetary Confession is USA and countries closest to that sphere of similar cultural influences centric. They barely warp their heads around the concept that subculture in Europe looks so much different.
Same is true for Angela and her stories of how Tarot is so goff, gothic literature is so part of subculture.
Or how teh dark okkult is so goff.
The reality is further we move from USA and UK these elements are barely present.
And if they are mostly due quiet recent development of wide access to the Internet. There is literally the whole globe left outside North Murrica and British Isles. Heck USA and UK goths combined are not even majority of world goth population most likely.
There are even regions where gothic rock for a while had quiet a lot of Christian related themes. And I don't mean criticism of that religion. (no, I'm not Christian myself BTW)
But so far I think that's just a general issue with people from the USA that they barely have any idea how world outside their continent looks and works.
No. 775135
>>775029I've never thought of Wardruna as being metal though, more folk, but I haven't listened to a ton of their music.
Also I agree with everything you said about goth. I mean if goth is a music based sub culture then why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered goth icons if they existed before the music?
As for metal, yeah, Blind Guardian has a whole album based on the Silmarillion, they also have other songs based on Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones, the Arthurian legend, Peter Pan and many other works of fiction/mythology. Tolkien has had quite an influence on metal- the bands Amon Amarth, Gorgoroth, Burzum and Minas Tirith all got their names from LotR. That being said, I've never heard anyone say "Tolkien is a great metal icon" or "LotR is a great work of metal literature". I mostly only listen to metal, but I don't call myself a metalhead because I stick to bands like BG and Epica that have more melody and a lot of people would call me a poser for that. I don't listen to any of the most famous metal bands like Slayer, Pantera or Metallica. And also a lot of people are metalheads and have never heard of BG or any of the other bands I mentioned.
No. 775176
>>775096
>quiet recent development of wide access to the InternetDo you mean world wide web based communication and exposure? During the 90s, before the web, Usenet facilitated people of all sorts of niche subcultures to make contact. The growth of the alt.gothic hierarchy reflected the development of the various subcultures within goth and arguably spurred their development. Until the late 90s we still had to snail mail each other cassette tapes and records to share music. Sharing images (albeit via binary files) was far easier than sharing music which may be the primary reason goth fashion became such a big part of the subculture during the 90s.
>>775135
>I mean if goth is a music based sub culture then why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered goth icons if they existed before the music?I…uhhh…errr…
[slinks off to the shadows to nurse my exploded head]
Personally, my interests in subjects which are now considered goth or which are held in common by many people in the subculture developed concurrently with the music. I was a teen during the early 80s. Taking long walks in the woods with Dead Can Dance playing on my Walkman and a Brontë novel tucked in the pocket of my vintage mohair coat was simply what I did. I wore a lot less black then. We all wore a lot less black then. Black did not become de rigueur until around 1990 when the goth subculture became more defined, perhaps in antithesis to other subcultures like rave and grunge.
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>>775029I have to disagree as well that there totally is a metal subculture, it's just muscial just like Goth is. Metal has a good many subgenres (the different kinds of metal from Heavy Metal, Symphonic Metal, Black Metal, Folk Metal, Death Metal, etc) and those styles certainly do have looks associated with it.
And Goth is not the same as Gothic. People confuse things like Gothic with Goth when they both are different. Gothic was an artistic, architecture, literature, and type of film while Goth is a music-based subculture. It's not called "Goth Literature", it's called "Gothic Literature" for example.
And sure, generic Metal fashion can be boring when you just look at the Heavy Metal & Death Metal but then you get to Symphonic Metal, Folk Metal, and Black Metal and the looks become a bit more stylistic as these people tend to dress like people from a fantasy or certain time period era.
>>775096Er are you sure that's what she said? I've heard Angela talking about the Occult but I don't remember her saying that it was "Goth", at the most some "goths" were just into that stuff.
And Goth was still the same even in these foreign countries. Take Japan for example, it's been believed that Visual Kei was the "goth" thing of Japan but that just wasn't true and that Japan actually had a real though very small Goth subculture that pretty much played the same kind of music that the UK and US did, the bands just didn't get popular at the time as the internet as the internet wasn't where it is today back then.
And this extends to even the other foreign countries like Sweden, Norway, & Poland to name a few. You can search on YouTube and you'll find quite a bit of actual Goth bands from those countries that released music in the 80s and 90s but just like Japan, the music unfortunately just didn't get discovered in time and a lot of the bands just fell by the wayside, it's actually quite sad because a lot of them sounded pretty good, just as good as the contemporaries from the UK and USA.
>>775135>Why are figures like Morticia and Vampira considered Goth Icons if they existed before the music?Easy. Because people didn't know what the heck they were talking about. They were never Goth icons, they were "GOTHIC" icons. Gothic has existed long before the Goth subculture became a thing (from the music) and proper female icons of Goth would be people like Siouxsie Sioux, Patricia Morrison, Monica Richards, & Dinah Cancer to name a few.
>>775176Which is so true because you see pictures of members from Goth bands like Theatre of Hate, Bauhaus, The Cure, & a few otherss who have escaped my mind and they weren't wearing all black ensembles all the time lol.
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The goth subculture that arose from the underground and experimental music scene is informed by the same "darkly inclined" spirit and psyche as those things from previous generations and eras and other media and disciplines that are regarded as iconic in contemporary goth subculture.
Does anyone remember Goth Talk on SNL? They perfectly captured the nouveau goth stereotype of the late 90s. Would it be fair to say that generation produced the first alt cows?
I thought it was some of the funniest shit ever.
Hush! Can you hear the raven?
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>>775116She did mention Tarot at least once. In her early videos. Probably also on at least one more occasion.
>The US and UK scenes are completely different.Ye, yet they are somewhat closer than UK and "continental" scenes are. I mean in non - musical sense that were "attached" to the scene from earlier culture like literature references etc. Lack of Halloween in many countries etc.
>>>775176
>Do you mean world wide web based communication and exposure? I mean that before like early - mid 00's what was circulating among international gothic community was mostly music, certain cliches present in USA or other in UK that people from there were associating as "obvious part of gothic scene" were not necessary part of scene in many other countries. Sometimes they were subtle differences, sometimes major.
>>775176>Insert whatever dark/horror element from USA popcultur is goffAmericans suffer from this mindset since quiet few decades. I don't recall people trying to tie local horror movies heroes to their goth scenes in my and neighbor mainland Euro countries. But I do certainly remember tying music to it.
>>775181
>Er are you sure that's what she said? I've heard Angela talking about the Occult but I don't remember her saying that it was "Goth", at the most some "goths" were just into that stuff.I didn't mean she said it.
>And Goth was still the same even in these foreign countries. Take Japan for example, it's been believed that Visual Kei was the "goth" thing of Japan but that just wasn't true and that Japan actually had a real though very small Goth subculture that pretty much played the same kind of music that the UK and US did, the bands just didn't get popular at the time as the internet as the internet wasn't where it is today back then.Playing foreign music does not equal tying same non-musical elements as UK people or USA people do. And there were also local bands (BTW almost totally unknown to USA and UK people) that introduced to music many elements not present in other scenes.
>And this extends to even the other foreign countries like Sweden, Norway, & Poland to name a few. Music - yes. Themes - somewhat. Clothing - barely. Cultural references - tiny shared amount. Political context - totally different.
Polish (and Yugoslavian and USSR and satelites) goth music of 80s was political (anti communist) as fuck. Also they were persecuted by communist regimes and police.
Macedonia (part of Yugoslavia back then) had bands notorious for christian mysticism and references.
Yugoslavian and Ukrainian bands also incorporated a lot of Slavic folk music and 19th century romanticism era poetry with often nationalistic undertones from times of fights for independence of these nations from Russia, Turks, Austria-Hungary Empire and etc. In some areas it also blended with (the '80s version of) industrial so hard in these areas there were barely any separation between two. Also differences in fashion and look.
And there are scenes in many parts of Asia, Africa that i have zero knowledge about and I don't dare to pretend I have such knowledge or except them to worship poetry of Poe or horror literature of 18-19 century England. If you get what I mean.
>You can search on YouTube and you'll find quite a bit of actual Goth bands from those countries that released music in the 80s and 90s but just like Japan, the music unfortunately just didn't get discovered in time and a lot of the bands just fell by the wayside, it's actually quite sad because a lot of them sounded pretty good, just as good as the contemporaries from the UK and USA. No. 775298
>>775215I'm the OP that mentioned metal and Wardruna and subculture of metal etc. I'm actually really into this specific topic of goth vs. gothic, subculture and how everything intertwines because it's not another bickering argument of "is x goth".
I think in a sense a subculture means like "the qualities that become commonly enjoyed by the people who enjoy X thing or the adopted behaviours of said group". As
>>775135 mentioned some bands, I also like bands like Blind Guardian, Epica, Amon Amarth, Nightwish, Korpiklaani, Troll Bends Fir, I like all the fantasy inspired or symphonic/epic bands that produce very cinematic music, but I also like the "big" bands like Slayer, Metallica, Pantera, etc.
The people who enjoy those bands, they tend to gravitate towards similar themes in other media or fashion. The fantasy/epic band fans tend to gravitate towards Norse mythology or Celtic stuff, fantasy garb, fantasy fiction, etc. A lot of the black metal fans tend to research really morbid topics or Norway's history of black metal or they dress in lots of black and spikes. What I'm trying to say is that when you like X thing, you find common threads in other things, and this branches out into a tree of aesthetically/visually similar media or fashion and people see "oh these people like this!" and it spreads out. Then it becomes a subculture.
I should have been more specific when I was using goth and gothic interchangeably. They ARE different. And I know so many people who love Morticia and Elvira and they are so far from goth. I feel like Addams family was a comedic juxtaposition of this dark, spoopy family that actually love each other and get into shenanigans. Are goths gonna claim Halloween too? Halloween is fun and loved by most people!
I feel like complaints from Angela's perspective is kind of like the bratty kid taking all the toys and saying "MINE!". I mean, I get it. But she doesn't understand that anyone who uses those tags without actually caring about the things that make Goth, will just latch on to another popular aesthetic later. She can't and won't change their mind because they never cared in the first place. Goths don't own anything other than some bands that sprung directly from the emerging subculture. Gothic architecture has been its own thing, gothic literature too, as well as dark movies and dark stories. Lovecraft, Poe, Mary Shelley, they are not "goth". They do not belong to goths. Neither does lace and corsets and frills, that's historical fashion. Just dyeing it black and red doesn't make it so.
But somewhere along the way those distinctions got blurred and now "goth" as a hashtag or label has become an umbrella for all those things. I think Angela needs to think about how much people rush to push things under the "goth" name before she goes all "muh subculture" and "muh music" and "you can't sit with us". Either we all collectively end up agreeing that one uses the goth hashtag ONLY when it applies to "true goths" ie. people who listen to goth music, or we come to an understanding that goth as a term has become so vague you could be referring to a number of things and stop worrying about it.
That being said I still hold complaints towards people like BlackFriday or Toxic Tears etc because they turned goth into a monetised costume, and not a lifestyle.
No. 775319
>>775184No problem anon but even with the "Goth look", I honestly don't think it even came from old period fashion. Look at the bands from the 80s, they didn't look like that, they looked like darker punks.
>>775215I always figured a subculture was mostly about how the particular thing brought people together and Metal absolutely does that, bringing all kinds of people together to enjoy all the different varriations of metal.
But upon second thought, perhaps you are right. But see, this is making me realize another misappropriation that happened in time. See I really do think that the "Gothic" subculture was just meant as that. "Gothic" which was a grouping of Gothic Literature, Gothic Architecture, Gothic Art (actual 12th century/12 century-inspired), and Film (actual Gothic films) but not Goth music as again, Gothic is not the same as Goth.
Taking a look back at some journals being done in the early 90s, it seems this is where the confusion really came about because most likely the writers were confusing Gothic for Goth thinking they were one in the same and were grouping it all together out of ignorance and that's how people started thinking that Goth was the same Gothic.
>>775213>>775239 beat me to it lol This was the time when Goth was starting to get misappropriated as a fashion statement and the music (that went back underground from the mainstream after the 80s were over) wasn't being noticed much and the only way you were likely to come across second wave Goth bands was from word of mouth, going to the record stores that also carried obscure music, or happening to live in a place that had a Goth club that was still playing and supporting actual Goth bands.
>>775239Haha I don't know who I'd choose to be honest, both are annoying. Because I remember Mall Goths were a big thing when I was in middle school and my first year of high school and some of the things they would do was just… Lol But I guess at the very least, they were entertaining compared to the InstaGoths who have no personality at all.
>>775243No I know the video you're talking about but I don't remember her saying something like "Tarot was a total Goth thing" lol.
And I don't understand what Halloween has to do with anything, Halloween is not a Goth holiday lol
And I brought up the music because it's a huge misconception that "Goth" music in those countries is Metal music (namely Black Metal, Gothic Metal, and Symphonic Metal). That just isn't true and that is all I meant. I provided a Swedish Gothic rock mix just to give an example and I'm pretty sure a lot of people have never heard of a lot of these bands for the reason I pointed out earlier. Please keep in mind, I'm talking purely about the sound of the music, not the lyrics, fashion, etc.
>>775246Drag? I'm not trying to drag anyone and all this info is easy (well fairly) if you search for it along with using common sense (my comments towards Morticia & Vampira being "goth" icons when that just was false).
>>775248Eh IBF used to have a fairly unique style pre Germany era before she started slowly wearing nothing but Killstar products or Punk Rave. Compare how she used to look in her older videos and she looked more… For lack of better word traditional in a sense? I don't know how to describe it lol.
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>>775248>IBF used to have a unique style pre Germany before started wearing nothing but KillstarYeah she was more creative, but now is basically Shillstar's bitch. She looks more store-bought and "typical" – ironic for someone in a subculture like goth.
Also, slight OT but I'm a younger goth here and appreciate the "history lessons", for lack of a better word, when they happen to come up.
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Kek @ Jake (far right) trying so hard to be Marilyn Manson
No. 775509
>>775508Jake is on the haul train too, he's shilling for killstar as well now.
Not surprising though since 1) TT does it and she has more subs than him, he obviously want a piece of that and 2) he's gotten more into goth recently, which he thinks is just about clothes.
No. 775713
>>775604Yeah, he seemed more goth in the beginning. I would've just considered him a babybat at the time, but now he looks exactly like what he listens to; shitty metal. He's better off being a normie metalhead guy like Jared Dines.
>>775493Manson's style doesn't work on Jake because they don't have similar facial features, in the end he just looks like a Mansonite mallgoth. I will say, Kaya and the two beside beside her look nice, but that dude on the far left and Jake are trying too hard.
No. 775873
>>775773>i would be more forgiving if his style was interesting or original In old photos, like on Kaya's dead blog, he did dress more creatively. But now after starting YT he's a Shillstar sell out just like IBF and Kaya. I wonder what they'd all be like if they'd never done YT.
>>775794>There's a whole horde of altcows that use the term goth for ALL alternative fashionThem, and almost everyone else. Most people aren't interested in goth so don't research and just accept what the media shows. And the media shows these cows. The cows are also not interested in goth (but for some reason are super defensive of the label?) and don't know any better. It's a cycle
No. 775875
>>775873Begs the question, why do the altcows like goth so much when many of them aren't?
I've wondered if it's cos goth gets more attention than other alt subcultures, but unsure if that's true.
Or maybe its the abundance of clothes compared to the other subcultures, cos they've screeched many times you only need clothes to be goth.
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nitpick maybe, but Kaya has always said she has hazel eyes but in every picture I've seen of her they just look brown or amber (except when she's wearing contacts)
>>775873I especially wonder what Kaya would be like if she had never done YT. Like, what would she be like without having an audience to beg for stuff and getting sent free stuff from companies?
No. 775961
>>775949Exactly, she and Jake have always been faux goth attentionwhores, they just had better styling years ago but nothing has really changed except both of them being fat now.
>>775873The media loves the cows and the cows love them right back. They wouldn’t interview someone like Angela or people from this thread. They’d rather interview gigantic pastel puke Kaya and Mansonite Jake who’d probably have vampire fangs in while Clamato juice dribbles from his chin.
>>775875The cows are mostly just copying the media’s version of goth. The media has shown us multiple times that they think goths are satanist witches who believe they’re vampires and are looking for attention. That sounds a lot more interesting than weird people who like weird music that has inspired their weird look.
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>>776106this is from mr owl's instagram, i don't think she's losing weight
No. 776134
>>776128If she is then it isn't Owl's. I think she's just been eating a lot.
>>776106Her novel's file got corrupted or something. I think that one anon was right, she doesn't seem to enjoy doing YouTube anymore. All the videos she makes are hauls or reactions. If it's true, then she should just come out and say she doesn't like making videos anymore. But Killstar doesn't give people free clothes/money/magical powers for that.
>>776130Oddly, I feel you might spark something for this simple post (unless I'm preventing that now, lol) Don't take the bait, dear anons.
No. 776170
>>776136Sorry for my 3 AM DayQuil induced speculation anon, I was going by their long time apart, which probably means nothing (pls don’t kill me). Freyja’s just eating good, as she always does when traveling and trying to fit into tiny clothes. Are they together now or what, last we heard IBF was in the UK while Owl was in NZ studying.
Now, this isn’t speculation but her book got corrupted unless she’s starting another one. She posted about it on Facebook and people were telling her to go to a pro to try and get it back but I’m not sure she took their advice. Here’s the post
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>>776170I find it strange that she isn't really trying to save the book, especially if she's been working on it "for years".
Did she say its corrupted to cover up that she got bored and dropped it? Or it is corrupted and she isn't interested in saving it?
Either way, she is letting her film school experience go to waste. Doesn't even put effort in he YT vids. She is short changing herself, and her Patreons.
No. 776348
>>776330>actual writers continue to write because it’s what they’re passionate aboutYes and Freya doesn't seem passionate at all. Even back when she made proper videos, about stuff she liked, writing never came up.
She did film school, you'd think she loves it. I'm thinking she used to but now is unsure of her choices.
Combine this with her sudden country-hopping and string of partners, and you get a midlife crisis.
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Wait… you mean you werent already dressing like a 12 year old and doing stupid shit?
No. 776626
>>776134I think you may be right that IBF just doesn't enjoy making videos anymore hence the piss poor, half-baked content. I was re-watching some of her old videos that I think we're from 2013-2014 and she seemed more livelier back then. But then part of me just feels she can't do what she used to do because she ran out of the scam money to do travel vlogs outside of getting invited to events.
>>776265It's quite sad really. If that is the case that she hadn't really written anything, it's a shame because she may actually be a decent writer or have an interesting idea.
>>776348It's easy to forget she majored in film, did she actually get a degree or did she take a few classes and dropped out?
>>776373Yeah 30s is a little too early but maybe it's different for someone like Freya who doesn't seem to do anything? she has no job or career, no real responsibilities since she has her Patreon money and Mr. Owl. She must have a lot of time on her hands and thus, she thinks more about her life and may feel like she's going nowhere.
>>776376Oh honey… lol
>>776580See why is that? Even though Bishop and her friend's story was a bit annoying, I can't deny that the girl at least knows how to dress herself. You can still dress cute and look your age but yet TT just fails at it. It's not really that hard and she really needs to accept that she's not skinny anymore and modify her outfits to flatter her body type.
No. 776748
>>776686>>776686Says she doesn't believe in much of anything religion wise but that religious symbols should be sacred. Surely those things are only sacred in the eyes of a believer?
I do enjoy some of her vids but she's forever ranting about how the goth club in her area is dying. It makes me wonder if she'll ever move out of her mothers house cos seriously, she's 35 and her biggest worry in life is that bloody goth club.
No. 776771
>>776748I think herbs meant, even though she's not religious she respects that symbols are sacred to religious people, but she worded it badly.
And yeah some are videos are more complain-y and ranty more than anything. At least it's not haul after haul though.
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She started working on the attic 2-3 years ago and has not touched half of it until now. She even begged her subs to raise money for her on that walking app. Where is the cash going then?
She's fixing it up for YT, which is her only job, you'd think she'd put more effort in? Maybe she doesn't need to since her videos are lazy anyway…
I don't get how she still has loyal Patrons. Just like IBF she has no real rewards.
No. 776835
>>776771I agree. Her videos are hit/miss but at least she's not another vapid haul channel and her videos can encourage discussion so that should count for something.
>>776780Not to mention Jake lives there too. There's no reason why they both couldn't work together to get the Attic cleaned and touched up but both are lazy. They don't need fans money for it, they need to pick a day, get off their butts and actually WORK on it. Whoever actual pledges to her and Jake on Patreon are complete suckers.
No. 776923
>>776780Yeah that attic is never getting done. She impulsively spends on clothes and bath bombs, then acts surprised when she has no money left for real shit. So she begs for more money. Rinse and repeat.
>>776835They enable each others laziness.
Can't Kaya use Jake's recording room? He definitely doesn't use it regularly.
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No. 777011
>>776993But-but anon, they won't have any money left for junk food and clothes that don't fit! :(((
Ok but seriously, they're too entitled to work for anything, including weight. I don't think they actually want to lose it, just complain.
TT whines the most about it, and does the least. Plus she lives with Jake the ~fitness god~ who is probably giving her all the wrong advice.
No. 777015
>>776981Well Kaya you could have some daily if you actually worked out, or at least went for walks.
It's really not that hard?? She still uses Tumblr and there's an entire fitness community of people who have worse issues/harder lives than her and they still put in effort. I know depression makes everything harder but come on… it's better to try 30 times and fail than try once and whine how you can't do it. I have to agree with
>>777011 she's too entitled.
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Yes Kaya, because TV always accurately represents real life. Also, not all bathrooms have bathtubs.
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Drac Makens is back on social media- kinda. Apparently, she’s single and did not split up amicably with her Native American “hunk.”
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>>777325I wonder what happened that made her split from her ~native american god. She wouldn't fucking shut up about him smh.
Although I'm at least supportive of her getting a fulltime job away from social media and taking care of herself. I wonder if maybe she spent all her time and energy towards him that she just never cared about her own wellbeing. Didn't he have a cancer scare earlier last year and that's what halted them moving in together?
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In response to Angela's comments on face tattoos
No. 777628
>>777195 and not many people would actually use a hairdryer, or any electrical device for that matter,
in the bathtub. A socket in the bathroom isn't dangerous in itself, only if it comes into contact with water, which can be avoided.
No. 778019
>>777943Is that surprising though?
Her vlogs aren't good to begin with anyway. Most of the first one was her squealing at a squirrel.
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Oh, look what stupid cunt is back. Begging, as per usual.
No. 778144
>>778118Eh part of me is happy that she realizes she's been a not worthwhile channel but as far as the Germany thing, I have to agree that she should've taken the initiative as soon as she divorced Mattias. Because her Visa was based on her marriage no? Well as soon as the marriage is over and you know you haven't done the necessary requirements to stay (I mean, she didn't even learn the language), she should've started the process, it's not like it would've been hard since she could've possibly gotten help from her family to bring her stuff back to New Zealand. So it's hard to feel completely bad for her but I can understand it can still feel totally shitty and scary when you have no access to your personal belongings.
At this point though, she'll really need to put her money where her mouth is because if she pulls a stunt like this again, it can very well be her last as she'll be in her 40s and there will be a new GOFF Queen who will swoop in and her fans are gonna be so over it.
No. 778173
>>778118Not a great situation but she dug her own grave here a bit. Desperate to find a place to call "ho.e" cos she hates NZ she rushed into a visa marriage, then rushed right back to Mr owl. And recently it seemed she was moving to Edinburgh.
When will Freya realise you can't run from your own problems?
>>778169Priorities.
No. 778274
>>778236It’s not a secret that Simon likes Adora in a more than friends way, I mean he’s constantly inviting her to things, this trip… did somebody see that she made a series of posts implying that she was sad?
Simon also posted today writing that he had nothing to celebrate and that he has a lot to learn apparently.
I’m pretty sure Adora only uses Simon to cheer herself up but she must be fucked up because of her ex husband leaving. He must have been the one leaving, she would have never left him.
I was thinking for a while that she had something with Ras but lately there hasn’t been any mention of him.
And also, I found out that Victoria no longer follows her on IG.
No milk on Victoria? I really think her new boyfriend seems sketchy as fuck, his Instagram is full of photos with other women besides of Victoria, and she just keeps getting weirder.
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Yeah, so she can paint it all black and red.
Not that I'm against black n red decor, but why do this to this beautiful house?
No. 778445
>>778442She's said before she can't be pregnant with Mr owl bc he's older and it'll mess with the kid.
Unless she's pregnant with someone else, but she's been in NZ near owl these past few months so its unlikely.
No. 778458
>>778445yeah, but I was thinking more that she
wanted people to speculate about her being pregnant so they will keep talking about her
No. 778538
>>777625late to reply but same, she did seem to genuinely care about his wellbeing when he had health issues and she really wanted to move in with him at one point.
>>778394ugh, i hope she doesn't ruin that house, have it looking like the mall goth version of what doe dere did to her houses.
No. 778639
>>778464She said it in a tweet which was posted last thread. Did mention wanting a kid in an old video though. She either changed her mind or literally can't have one.
In any case, bad idea to have a child rn as her life is quite unstable/she seems to have issues with being "tied down".
>>778605She didn't comment on her own age in said tweet, wonder why
No. 778693
>>778119>>778118Is NOBODY going to address the animal abuse involved in flying a cat from New Zealand to Germany in cargo, and presumably leaving her in GERMANY. IN AN APARTMENT THAT HER OWNER IS NOT LIVING IN.
What the fuck how can this bitch say she loves her cat so much she had to import her across the dsmn planet- but finds not a single fuckingbissue in leaving her in a vacsntvaoartment, since what? Fucking November??? OVER THREE MONTHS. Who is caring for this cat?
This is unacceptable treatment towards an animal that Freya claims to live and adore. I cant imagine how disgustingly negligent she would be with ahuman. .
No. 778745
>>778693You clearly didn’t watch the video. She mentions how her birds are being looked after and her cats are at a catery out at some farm.
No ones that dense to leave pets at home without care. Are you American?
Maybe watch videos or read comments before having a tantrum
No. 778761
>>778118>by the way, I'm not even going to fully explain my absence unless you pay for it! All my fans should deserve to hear the full thing for free, but I'm entitled and money hungry! Sowwy.This cow. Has no patreon rewards except "exclusive previews" of videos now free on YT, but then turns around and says content
all fans deserve to hear is for patrons only. And most of her fans aren't patrons.
In a shady way it makes sense, since their cash is going to her country hopping instead of her videos.
Does she have malicious intent, or is she just plain greedy and knows she can get away with pulling these stunts? Either way her subs are dumb as fuck.
No. 778762
>>778761Samefag but forgot to mention its obvious that the "secret content" is about her country hopping. Why can't her regular fans know about it too?
Does she know it's shady, or is she just trying to milk her situation for all its worth?
No. 778782
>>778761She's never had more patrons than ever after the spike thanks to her latest video. It's a common trend on youtube, whine and hope that your gullible fans feel bad enough to begin throwing money at you.
Malicious intent? Can't be known for sure. Someone has said that IBF badmouths her own fans behind closed doors.
Is she milking it? Probably
No. 778791
>>778119I wonder if she's pregnant? She glossed over it the first time she mentioned why she was offline, and though there's no full body shots, her bowling video seems to show a quite bloated figure
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No. 778798
>>778791well she said at the end of her video she's not pregnant so unless she's lying
>>778761I kind of wanna become a patron just so I can see what happened lel.
No. 778822
>>778791She never shows low shots or body shots because she has an extremely unfortunate body type. Do you watch her videos? She always puts the camera up so high in order to make herself look better and hide her frog body while highlighting her tits. The only time she shows full body is when trying on outfits and she still tries to cover it up with her hands, belts, corsets, movement, whatever.
I thought she might be pregnant too for a second but she's not. She's stressed out and she said she's the type to shut down when stressed. So I bet she's not taking as good care of herself and probably stuffing her face.
She looks like crap in candids, always has. She's fat with the worst body type and not that cute and her hair actually looks horrible. The videos she has made are very controlled to make her appear much more attractive than she is.
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>>778118one of the comments LOL
No. 778865
>>778761This is the woman who crowdfunded her wedding and sold tickets, then cancelled it and kept the money. All she cares about is money. She
likes scamming fans.
>>778844It was obvious from the beginning she married for a visa. Since she's entitled she didn't want to do it the normal way…but now it's back fired.
Pretending to be surprised about being kicked out is her covering her tracks, some people eg
>>778826 are already catching on.
Has Matthias not said anything about this? No social media posts, nothing?
No. 778871
>>778865I don't think he's said anything. Matthias has his new girlfriend and they seem happy. I'm glad he found someone who seems to actually care about him. I always thought he seemed like a pretty nice person and it sucks IBF is such a fucking horrible bitch.
>>778824Are you new to her? Lol not trying to be rude but she always looks like that. Even in her lavish apartment, opening expensive gothic clothes, using a semi-professional camera and lighting setup… She often had nasty broken acrilic nails that looked all dirty. She lets her roots get long and uses chalk or spray to cover them (don't blame her as much for that but c'mon). I honestly didn't even notice because it's so normal for her to look a hot mess.
No. 778885
>>778881 They were renting. Which means she has to return it to its previous state, ie completely white, when she hands it back to the landlord. That's going to be difficult.
The sensible thing would be for Matthias to move in there and maybe find another tenant for the other one. Because like her or loathe her, trying to get her apartment back to pre-rental state from the other side of the world is not going to be easy.
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Just gonna leave this here
No. 778955
>>778761Honestly I feel that she's not necessarily malicious but she is greedy and she knows that if her fans knew what she was really up to, they would probably not see her in the same light they used to. But like I said, I feel that this is her last leg because if things blow up in her face again, I have a feeling her fans won't be as supportive because they're going to get tired of her.
>>778782Pretty much this. She's not necessarily malicious but she knows she has a shit ton of gullible fans who will throw money her way regardless of what she does and she's milking any opportunity she can to get what she wants (Country hop and not have to get a normal job).
>>778822True, she always films at the shoulders up or points it downwards to highlight her breasts like what Trisha Paytas was known for doing. It'd be hard to tell if she was pregnant because she doesn't really take photos from a 3/4 view, just a frontal or back view so you can't see a baby bump if she was pregnant.
>>778823Exactly. It's really not that hard. She has a mother who cares and she has a fiance. She may hate NZ but that is where her stability is, not country hopping to places where she's too lazy to even learn the language to properly communicate. Even if she didn't want to get a normal job, it's obvious that Mr. Owl doesn't mind supporting her so she could just stay home and work on her novel or something.
And I agree on Mattias. I feel that he probably was an enamored by her YouTube presence but once he actually got to know her, she wasn't the kind of person he thought she was and it was just better t get out of that mess.
>>778826Oh fuck yes, this person gets it lol
>>778831That's freaking horrible and thinking back, I think you're so right and this further cements why I think Mattias had enough and called it off before things really got bad. He saw just what a conniving, lazy bitch she must've been and was like "Screw this, I'm out. It's not worth it." All I can say is good on him for not being a doormat and becoming Mr. Owl 2.0 for her.
>>778865And it's sad because the bulk of her fans are going to buy that bullshit. Unless someone exposes her for the fraud she is with evidence in a video, she's going to keep getting away with it for a little while longer.
>>778885And how sad that Mattias will have to be the one to restore it back to its state. They both should since it was most likely both their idea but eh, what happened happened. Mattias probably won't mind too much as he's most likely just happy he doesn't have to be in his situation with her again.
>>778953He's trying so hard to be Marilyn Manson isn't he? lol
No. 778970
>>778968He said that her real personality came out and that her youtube personality is fake. He was mocking the
'be nice to eachother" she says because she doesn't care about anyone but herself and makes fun of her subs. She throws tantrums anytime she doesn't get what she wants even in public and then calls her mom screaming every day. Shes racist and had examples of ways it came out. Shes fat shames people with an alias on some fat shaming group.
No. 778977
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>>778953so much Dawn of Ashes. Is he even listening to that type of music?
>>778955>He's trying so hard to be Marilyn Manson isn't he? lolMore like Dawn of Ashes, Psyclone Nine, Alien Vampires etc. Bands that poped out around the end of the '00s TBH they both look like they are reencanting mid-late '00s with their styles.
No. 778980
>>778966>>778970 Yeah, and you know what else? IBF went to germany with the intent of finding hitler's secret descendants so she could be the mother of a new generation of pure arian goths. She also eats nothing but charcoal. She shoots up eyeliner intravenously to get high.
See, it's that easy to come up with juicy milk if you're gonna make shit up.
Do you guys really believe this bullshit? I'm not even a IBF fan but this is obviously so fucking fale ot hurts. So in your story they went as far as get Mr Owl a girlfriend with whom he lived together for like a year with the sole purpose of being cruel to her behind her back and using her for sex, I suppose. Mr Owl was in the whole time, they sit down and machiavellically decided that IBF had to lure a german goth into marriage to get both of them a resident visa. Yes, super simple and practical plan, it would only take like 3 years for that to fly, way easier than applying for a student visa…
This shit is so fake it makes e cringe. I think IBF and MO are a mess psychologically and have zero of their shit together, hence the stupid split because she wanted to live abroad, the failed marriage (was it for the visa? Yes, but she and mattias did it, he wasn't being conned), and getting back together after all because MO is madly in love with her. He tried forgetting her with a new relationship bit he dropped nadia like a hot potato as soon as IBF wanted him back. And I believe she did so because she never actually stopped loving him but decided to try a new life with a new guy in a new country.
Stop paintimg mattias as this poor little creature who is pure and innocent, everyone who knows him know really well how he is arrogant and that when he is drunk, he flirts with all the women around, he even grabbed some asses while married to IBF. He also cheated on her on M'era Luna while she was sleeping
She choose the wrong guy to marry for a visa, that's for sure. I don't think that either of them knew what they were going into. Both of them are a real piece of work and a hot mess. Everyone involved in this situation is, except for nadia as far as I know
If you want people to believe this story you're going to provide some proof of what you say
No. 778988
>>778980Yeah i won't fully believe this new milk either unless there's proof.
But, it's less of a stretch that ibf is a selfish cunt and her on YT is a front for views. Even on YT she seems entitled and lazy. But, doesn't seem smart or patient enough for some elaborate plan.
As for Mr Doormat he isn't the scheming type at all, but someone IBF can easily manipulate when she wants to run somewhere new every year.
As for Matthias he must've known about the visa whether he was in on it or not. It was even obvious to some of IBF's sheep fans. Either he's stupid or didn't care.
On the flipside, if he really is a a "player" it must've been obvious to IBF.
No. 778990
>>778980MO was never serious about Nadia. MO and IBF had an agreement that he could have fun but no feelings because IBF doesn't have sex anyway.
Mattias didn't cheat on IBF because they weren't together. He slept with the other girl after he confronted her about the emails and the fight caused the break up.
Mattias didn't know about the visa in the beginning. He did love her but it was her looks and her fake youtube personality that he liked. He stayed with her when the sex stopped and she promised him that they could live together again but she needed space. He started putting things together and that's when he looked through her tablet and found the emails. He screen shot them and sent them to Nadia. Thats how she found out.
What kind of proof do you want?
No. 779003
>>778929that would be the sensible thing to do, but no, let's whine about the difficulties of dealing with consequences to choices.
>>778953can't wait to see what the new music video will look like, you know he's gonna be so proud of all the work and it'll smack of ripping off other stuff in the visual department.
No. 779018
>>778990Anything beyond you coming here like the messiah "I will explain everything to thee! Here's what happened: …"
I don't believe you in the slightest. I can claim that I am a friend of a friend of a friend of the pope and that the friend told me that he is a drunk that actually hates jesus.
You talk like you have the definitve answer to this whole story but the way you write makes it really obvious that you are making things up. You write like you are omniscient, like a narrator to a story, because that's what ot is: a story.
Are you Nadia? If you were -and proved so- then I'd believe all this silliness
This is a gossip site, we all post conjectures about everythimg, but honestly, this shit is taking all the fun of the gossip. Gossip is fun while it's real, I don't come here to read obvious(bad) fanfiction. Can we move on yet?
No. 779025
>>779018And you talk like a Disney Villain.
I really don't care what you believe. I saw the screen shots and I was also there when some of the conversation took place. You keep on whiteknighting and believe what you want.
No. 779049
>>779025I believe this story because too many people have said that she's been caught badmouthing her fans and laughing at others behind their backs. I find this totally plausible as it fits most of the information that's already out there, and that Nadia has hinted at herself
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No. 779069
>>779049Where did you see people saying this? I never saw it, post some links or screenshots, that will be some nice milk for a change, since this thread became a 17 year old personal fanfiction kek
>>779025So not believing an absurd story posted on an anonymous forum without any proof is whiteknighting now? It's just common sense
Look, we want to believe, if this is true maybe it's the most shocking thing we ever had in altcows. But we can't just take your word for it. Where were you when this milk was fresh? It's extremely suspicious that you suddenly decided to come here and tell all like a year after the happenings you claim to have seen with your very eyes
And thank you for the "disney vilain" thing
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This irked me. Maybe it's just me but it's like she only thinks about stuff. Whether it's new stuff to buy or what clothes to wear, it seems like even when she has an upcoming trip to somewhere new, she's preoccupied with her material posessions instead of what she can do there.
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This thread is more and more dope with every hour.
No. 779124
>>778958sorry but this sounds way too much like a conspiracy theory. and the fact that you get super defensive when people ask for any kind of evidence makes you seem even less credible.
>>779111>I knew Mattius wellyou didn't even spell his name right though, it's Matthias
>>779025being skeptical =/= whiteknighting
>>779099I thought we had already established on this thread that she is extremely materialistic. all she ever tweets about is what stuff she wants. all her videos are hauls and unboxings and even in those she talks about even more stuff she wants that she doesn't have.
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>I thought we had already established on this thread that
we know nothing about what is reality and what is our collective fantasy
No. 779131
>>779049how on earth does badmouthing fans and laughing behind people's backs prove that freyja had some master plan with mr. owl? and when you think about it, that plan wouldn't make much sense anyway. she didn't even plan to move to germany at first, she was just there to attend festivals (I thought). she didn't know she would meet matthias when she first traveled there so how could she have been planning to marry him? I think freyja is just highly impulsive. I have no doubt that freyja is a two faced asswipe but not a criminal master mind.
>>779080I would watch that kek. and then the theme song could be a goth version of the friends theme song.
No. 779132
>>779126Not that anon but "mattius" is not a "typo", I've seen that spelling so often in this thread. You're not fooling anyone. If you were a friend you'd know how to write his name. Also how do we come from "a friend of me" to "I" was friends with him? Or are multiple anons trolling with this bs?
That evil plot story is hilariously stupid. Mr. Owl supposedly didnt want to move countries. that's why they separated in the first place. Why would they go the complicated route of her marrying someone else if they both wanted to move there or planning on getting back together? There's easier ways to get a visa. I think IBF is full of shit but these stories with no proof are ridiculous and that anon attacks everyone who criticises it. lmao
No. 779135
>>779134Yes I agree, there seem to be some true bits to the story but I refuse to believe it was planned all along. Freya is just a very impulsive person like
>>779131 said and can't plan ahead. Just like when she traveled to Scotland and suddenly wanted to move there because it's her true home even though she's engaged to Mr. Owl who lives in NZ. Like wtf, get your shit together. And since she makes all these impulsive decisions it even less believable that her failed marriage was planned all along.
No. 779140
>>779135This. Divorcing owl, suddenly marrying a guy in Germany, moving to Germany, divorcing him, remarrying owl, moving to Scotland – she can't sit still.
There is nothing wrong with travelling, and 0 impulsivity is boring, but this is a whole different level. She has no idea what she wants so keeps jumping into messy situations. She needs to get her shit together.
>>779099Is this the Japan trip where she's going to get lipo?
And of course TT only cares for materialistic things, she's very shallow. Every tweet is about wanting stuff. She tries to make it seem ~quirky~ and fails. Similar to Kelly Eden, maybe Jake has a "type" kek.
No. 779163
>>779030most of this info was already posted up thread, you could've at least saged and/or provided some photo proof since this is an image board, ffs it's not that hard.
>>779099she's mentioned putting together outfits a couple times lately. like, ok cool, take pics or shut up, why does anyone want to know that if you're just going to talk about it.
No. 779207
>>779190I love the occasional Total eclipse of the heart, is fun to sing it because it's so over the top but ffs this is the worst playlist I have ever seen even if it was a "guilty pleasures" playlist.
I would love to sit her down and ask "hey, honestly, why do you think you are a goth?" I'm reeeaaally interested in knowing her real reasons. I wonder what she would say if asked this is person, in a normal conversation tone. Would she just get up and run aways saying "you're an eLiTist!1!!1one"
It's so much easier for posers to say " I don't like labels" so they aren't expected anything relating to an especific subculture! It's that simple! Why do they always claim to be something they are not? That's exactly why people want them to do certain things. Blows my mind
No. 779217
>>779207Not trying to WK but I think it's okay to be goth and have a few guilty pleasure pop songs, so long as you like them in addition to, and not in lieu of, actual goth music.
Restricting yourself to one genre is dumb anyway. Life's too short for that.
That said, TT is still a poser lmao
No. 779228
>>779217You just repeated everything from the post you replied to.
Of course it's "okay" to be goth and listen to other things even if they're not guilty pleasures, no one ever said ot otherwise. The point is that she claims to be goth but doesn't ever listen to any of the genres related to the subculture. It annoys me how she doesn't even listen to crappy "g0th" shit like, idk, the cruxshadows or something
No. 779304
>>778958I've heard this rumor before so I'm starting to think this must be true, things just fell apart way too… Quickly. Like something major happened that caused a rift otherwise IBF wouldn't have had no problem going into all the details about the breakup but the explanation she gave just felt like she wasn't telling the full story.
>>778970>He said that her real personality came out and that her youtube personality is fakeI can believe that. You never really know how someone is like when you see them in real life that isn't a meet and greet type of situation. All this is A LOT to take in… Holy mother lol.
>>778977Ah okay, I've only heard of Psyclone Nine but never heard of the others, makes more sense which they are just a bunch of Industrial musicians but of course to poser Jake, he thinks they are Goth.
>>778985I can understand this counterpoint and it's hard to accept certain info without proof but the only red flag with IBF is how inactive she was during that time before she came out about her divorce. You would assume that because she didn't have a job nor was she going to school, she would've spent her days actually making her YouTube videos so she could keep her patrons and sponsorship money flow but she had quite a few bouts of inactivity until the content completely dried up for months on end. It made you wonder just what was going on behind the scenes.
>>778988Yeah exactly. Mr. Owl doesn't seem like a schemer but IBF seems reasonably intelligent enough to come up with a way to manipulate. Mr. Owl's devotion her shows this because as soon as her and Mattias split, he dropped Nadia rather quickly. Who does that unless you were madly in love with someone?
>>778996My guess is that she probably thought getting citizenship in Germany wouldn't be that hard and it ended up blowing up back in her face in the worst way possible lol.
>>779030Yeah they posted up above about the break up and how she took a lot of time off to get herself together. I agree, it's ice to see she's changing her life around.
>>779099Because the cow has no real personality. She's not interesting at all and becauuse has no reason to improve herself due to having a lot of ass-kissing fans who support her lazy ass, all she cares about is material things. I guarantee that if she actually had to work or couldn't be stuck at home doing fuck all, she would've learned or had to develop a real personality.
>>779140Yes because if she's actually planning on country hopping again, this one could be her last and if she fucks herself over for being careless, she's not going to have her fans help (or maybe she will, I dunno but I'd like to think her fans would wise up by the time this happens lol)
>>779190And she fucking wonders why people consider her a fake Goth? LMAO. And look, it's totally fine to have favorite songs/musicians who aren't Goth but if you mean to tell me that you can't include like 5-6 Goth songs in your playlist and still expect to be called a Goth by actual Goths? Just fuck off lol.
>>779207Believe me anon, I know exactly what she'd say. "Blah blah Because I have the Goth Mindset. I like spooky and dark things and I like dressing Goth. Goth is not really about music anymore, it's about self-expression" or some bullshit like that lol
>>779217But see, no one is saying that a Goth can't have favorite songs that aren't Goth. I've got a SHIT ton of non-Goth genre songs. It's really no big deal. The problem is when people call themselves Goth yet they either don't include that genre in their collection of music or they only tried like one Goth band and thought that was enough to call themselves Goth lol. Pretty much this
>>779228 nut hey, Cruxshadows used to be good I think lol.
No. 779344
>>779304>their marriage fell apart quickly therefor freyja and owl must have had some masterplan they were planning for years that sounds like a conspiracy theory with no evidencethat's some sound logic you have there. when you impulsively move to another country where you don't even speak the language and marry someone you've only known for a matter of months, it's almost bound to fall apart quickly. actually, I'm kind of surprised their marriage lasted a whole year. lots of people have had marriages that failed quicker than that. I also don't think Freyja not wanting to give details is evidence of some scheme either… in fact I thought most of the time when influencers and celebrities went through breakups they didn't share details with the public. if you went through a breakup, would you want to put the details on the internet for hundreds of thousands of people to see?
and can someone please explain to me how Freyja marrying Matthias would help her move Owl out to Germany and get him citizenship? I know nothing about German immigration laws but I don't think that marrying someone in Germany would help a third person gain citizenship (or a visa, or whatever their supposed scheme was) and then when Owl gets citizenship, she'd have to break up with Matthias to be with Owl, which would get her kicked out of the country, which would get Owl kicked out of the country. I really think that if Owl & Freyja wanted to move to Germany together there would be an easier way to go about it…
No. 779348
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i think i found some of dorians extreme thinspo pics that they said they posted back in the early 2000s
No. 779354
>>779348Aside from this clearly being one of her recent looks and the photo taken with a modern camera. Ever heard of reverse image search? Try it.
A Very Depressing Song :(
Published on Apr 24, 2016
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>>779353
i was wondering if anyone wanted to see or not
ofcourse i did reverse image
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No. 779368
>>779355>>779361She is much younger in those pics, but she was much thinner in her oldest video from 2014.
Skip to 3:13
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No. 779384
>>779373>>779375That is definitely their bedroom and bathroom.
But what is the point of posting these pics? She has never denied having an eating disorder and has readily admitted to relapsing even in the last couple of years.
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>>779444>I am a metaller, and I dress gothNope, you don't dress goth.
Why so many metalheads are so dumb? It makes me kinda feel ashamed I enjoy some subgenres of that music.
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>>779454Most of them (I mean "metal" girls who "dress goff") don't even wear stereotypical for metal studded clothing and their most "goth" pieces are just black regular or alt items that can be worn by any "dharkh" subculture. I don't see in their style goth exclusive elements qualifying them to "goth fashion". How many of them have you seen wearing jackets or vests with metal bands patches? They seem to all develop an allergy to such piece. Even bands t-shirts seem to become rarity. They are most likely only slightly less posers in metal just because they possibly listen to few (and I mean really tiny amount) bands in contrast to not listening to any gothic rock.
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>>779470It's not even like both subcultures have that much separated elements in fashion (in the 80s due to punk influence on metal they became very close in field of leather accessory and even hairstyles and makeup) except the most obvious band merch having different logos on them. Just metal fashion tends to concentrate more on "aggressiveness", vigor and ease (maybe not in case of some Black Metal bands with their nail chin pads lol). While goths tend to be "more artsy and more safety pins with truckloads of jewellery that is not necessary skull ring" in their fashion. Many metalheads who proclaim that they "dress goff" are just ambivalent in their style. Maybe they just feel not metal enough or whatever coz their style is not that edgy and they don't look like leather clad dominas 24/7.
No. 779480
>>779470I think you're reaching a bit. If I go off the internet and look at the alternative people around me there are plenty of metalhead girls who dress in a variety of ways. It's also cheaper to just buy black "normie" clothes and build your wadrobe around that, than purchase labeled alternative clothes. It's fucking expensive even in local stores. The girls who dress extravagant with their corsets and their tights and their demonias have money to shell out on that. Most of us don't.
I own one leather jacket that I bought on a discount and it's carried me for a decade now. I put a pin or two in it but I'm not about to destroy it with patches everywhere. I've recently bought a too-small sleeveless denim jacket from a thrift store and I dyed it black myself and I'm going to customise it. I can't afford a new one.
And not all metalhead girls want to be so unisex in their wardrobe. Some want to be more feminine with frills and velvets and dresses. Some prefer a normal style for out and about and dress up for concerts or outings. And due to the overlap between goth, punk and metal there will of course be a blur between the lines when it comes to fashion.
Turns out you can't please everyone, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
(no1curr about your goth frills) No. 779604
>>779124It is whiteknighting because you know that I can't post the screenshots without exposing my friend and you're using it to say its false.
I have seen what IBF does when anyone speaks out against her she has a public breakdown to her subs on social media about someone being mean to her and sends them to attack the person. Theres screenshots to it in old threads here.
No. 779614
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The tags on IBF's apology video.
No. 779621
>>779190Holy shit I thought this was IBF’s playlist for a second. Kek
>>779444These people will never get it, the music is ultimately what makes your look.
>>779446In their defense it’s mostly common with the “metalheads” who just listen to one or two bands claiming to be goth. They’re annoying because they always try to be mentors to younger goths and end up getting them confused on the subject of music. (It happened to me when I was younger, RIP)
>>779569Proof, fam? Just block your friend’s name out. If Freyja finds out who cares, if anything it’ll make her look bad and not your friend. I wouldn’t doubt this either, the anon who knows Nadia said something similar.
>>779614Can’t you get banned on YouTube for this? There was a youtuber name Mrtechnicaldifficult and he got banned for doing this. What does J Star have to do with this video unless she’s wearing his products?
>Safiya and ASMRWhat do they have to do with this video, anything for views I guess.
No. 779639
>>779604If by "friend" you mean innocent 3rd party i agree with
>>779621, blur out their name, and also blur personal info unrelated to IBF before posting.
If by "friend" you mean IBF herself, expose her. Scummy behaviour needs to be called out especially as she has many fans who look up to her.
>I've seen what IBF does when anyone speaks out against her, she sends her subs to attack them.You're anonymous. Even if she lurks, as long as you blur any friends/info unrelated to IBF she can't expose you easily. Plus she'd have to admit that she lurks kek.
So if you can, please post the screenshots.
If you really don't want to, please stop bringing up this stuff so we won't ask for screenshots.
No. 779701
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>>779621irrelevant tags aren't allowed on youtube, so theoretically she could be banned
No. 779745
I think IBF is impulsive but also calculating at the same time. Yeah, she did impulsively break up with Mr Doormat because he was holding her back from travelling the globe or something, but she was kind of hoping to find someone to marry for a visa in Germany. When she found Matthias, she thought she hit the jackpot for a while, and he almost definitely knew about her marrying him just for the visa, but was cool with it for a while.
I can believe the story about him seeing lovey dovey emails with Mr Doormat, because Freyja liked having him as a booty call, especially when things with Matthias weren't so great after all. So they separated, and IBF decided to run away from her problems and impulsively go back to Mr Doormat, but also calculated just how much she could milk this on social media/ later get away with not posting anything but also taking the money from her fans. And now she's also calculating just how much she can get outta her fans on Patreon.
Anything but getting a "normie" job and moving back to NZ, eh?
I can also believe her making fun of her fans and other groups of people in general, we all saw how extra she was when it came to simply mocking "basic girls" in her transformation video.
No. 779750
>>779745>mocking "basic girls" in her transformation videoAre you a "basic white girl" yourself? Is that why you're still butthurt about that non-issue of a video? It was far from offensive and it's hardly proof of anything.
>inb4 hurrdurr whiteknightNot even, I'm just tired of anons pulling stories out of their ass.
No. 779758
>>779444Lord give me the Serenity LOL
I really hate when these Metalheads label themselves Goth just because they wear a lot of Black. You know what they shoulddo? Make a Metal tag as that is what they are, a metalhead. I could give it a pass if they were a person who listened to both Goth and Metal like that one YouTube Accumortis but most Metalheads don't listen to Goth music but they want the "Goth cred"and make videos like this. I also came across t his video as well of another Metalhead chick who calls herself Goth. At least she played some actual Goth music so I'll give her some credit.
>>779446Exactly. I feel the same way when these Metalheads call their fashion sense "Goth". I've gotta be honest here, a lot of these "Goth" looks don't make me think of Goth, they make me think of a hard rock girl with dark flair. For example the model Dani Divine, she's regarded as a "Goth model" but when I see her, she doesn't scream "Goth", she looks like a Metalhead (and is going off some of the music she's shared she liked).
I actually do pre-judge sometimes when it comes to the look. If I see someone calling themselves Goth but they're dressing like Dani Divine or just the usual heavy eyeliner, Leather corsets, the Industrial looking platform boots, etc, I don't think "Goth". IF they don't look like they took makeup inspiration from people like Siouxsie, Monica Richards, or Trad or Deathrock inspired makeup and/or clothing that looks like it's from that time (the YouTuber Catharsis pretty much lol, I dc pre-judge and go "Yeah no you're not goth lady" until I either watch more of their videos and see if they actually listen to actual Goth music. Is it a bitch move? Sure but time and again, I see these chicks doing this and they don't even listen to any Goth music.
>>779470Agreed.
>>779478I think your explanation was a good breakdown of the fashion. The important thing is that the fashion was inspired from the musicians. A lot of Metalheads were aggressive and in your face with their looks whereas Goths like you said, were more artsy or creative. But the fact still remains that a lot of these "Goth metalheads" don't even scream "goth looking", at least to those of us in the Goth subculture anyway.
>>779483Ultimately yes. You can dress however you like but if the music isn't there (even if it's not the primary genre you listen to), you're not a Goth no matter what you're wearing.
>>779569Anon take the advice of all the others, if what you say is true, there are steps you can take to protect your friend's identity and I have to agree with another anon that even if IBF found out, who cares? What's the worst she can do? She's just a YouTube personality, not a politician or anything like that lol.
No. 779764
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Freyja has merch. Dunno since when but it was linked under the Sowwy video. Don't remember any promo for it either, very out of character for her.
What's in character though is the lazy designs, just her name. The only art is a shirt with someone else's art (she credits them) but if you're a creative person wouldn't you make something yourself? Another soulless money grab.
Link:
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>>779758Of course she has fucking Burzum playing in the video. Man, I don't know what happened to make all these girls on the internet think black metal is cool within the last few years, but if it wasn't "trendy" they would hate it. It has nothing to do with goth and black metal artists & bands are/were LARPing dorks.
No. 779799
I was a patreon of IBF. I think IBF is just seriously disorganized, easily overwhelmed and probably needs solitude to focus on projects. She seems the type to shut down under stress. So I doubt she's capable of pulling off a long con like luring Mattias into marriage for personal gain for her and MO. I think her relationship with MO went back on the boil because marriage is hard yall. And it wouldn't be a surprise if Mattias did see emails and getting in a twist over it, while ignoring his own actions, allegedly.
Anyway, I turned off the patreon spigot, because it is ridiculous for a stranger to "support" her by sharing my own pay essentially if she doesn't provide the content. That is the point after all. Her other patreons probably worsen the situation by kissing her ring ("my bat queen!"), telling her it's all good, take as much time as you need, blah blah - as though she's a broken winged bird and not merely having to deal with the consequences of her own decisions. Freyja may be messy, but she doesn't seem broken to me.
I think she's gotten bored with YT, which probably goes with the adpocalypse that undercut YTrs income. But she's still a compelling personality and I have no doubt opportunities will come her way, so I'll just say: get a manager. Or a new manager. And a JOB.
No. 779897
>>779867Not that anon but that post didn't come across as WKin to me, but hey I could be wrong. They said they
were a patreon but stopped because IBF wasn't delivering. "marriage is hard yall" seems like sarcasm, so I don't understand why you think they're WKing?
Not related to above but SOMEONE MAKE A NEW THREAD PLEASE! I would do it but I'm unsure of what picture to use…
No. 779983
>>779782See this is why I can’t call them metalheads they literally only listen to like 1 or 2 bands, 3 at most. Black metal being trendy isn’t going to get any better considering that shitty movie is coming out soon (it’s probably already out). Oh well, the metalheads have to deal with them now.
>>779974He probably forgot to add your name because he was too busy fapping to Kelly Eden and ReeRee
No. 780073
>>780066Are the lyrics about Jake's actual mother? Wondering cos aside from the usual edgy stuff he also mentions specifics like age.
Lyrics:
Oh, A common family
No dysfunction but not quite perfection
So you used the element of surprise
To tear us apart and leave with the spoils
Pre Chorus:
Despite all the love and despite all the moments
Despite it all, your greed over came
You sold us all out to avoid the reaction
To all of your spending on personal gain
Our connection was never that strong
When I grew older I sensed something wrong
Only 15 with my heart filled with hate
But 2 years later I got it all straight
Chorus:
So far from what's to be perceived
You're a mother that turned away to leave
So much love wasted
Cover your shame, your love turned to hate
Setting your wolves to feed from the carcass
Hope you die alone
Verse 2:
Oh God, you're so vile and wretched
Just your actions, they make me feel sick
You do what you want to get what you want
Crawl through the filth like the worm that your are
Pre Chorus:
The others, they suffered
Mostly the one you took with you.
She learned to hate you
I returned to a bare house
You'd taken everything from them
But you took nothing from me, nothing
Last Chorus:
When you left my heart turned to stone
No second chances anymore
You never even tried
Sold yourself like a whore on the streets
To right the wrongs you created
You will not be redeemed
Redeemed
Epilogue:
In my head you are dead
I killed you long ago
When you left I withdrew
All of my feelings and memories of you
In my head you are dead
I killed you long ago
So don't expect me to be
At your funeral because I've already been
No. 780093
>>780066The chorus really sounds like starset to me, and another band that I can't think of and it's driving me insane
>>779983What movie are you talking about? Lord of chaos?
No. 780157
>>780066Jake is so quick to judge actually accomplished musicians and then he releases shit like this.
I think his style is so dated too, this would have been popular back in 2006
No. 780196
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His latest video for back stage of his music video.
https://youtu.be/8tRA4pFFFm0 No. 780219
>>780066I laughed so hard when that "Mom" appeared
>>780165lmao
>>780196The cringe when they go shopping at fucking IKEA to buy lighting for that awesome music vid and think they're SO creative for putting a lampshade upside down on one of those generic industrial looking lamps… instead of like… going to a flea market or just ANYTHING not so basic? In situations like these it's really showing that there's nothing alternative about these people.
>>780210ikr, it's so infuriating that he calls himself goth while neither making goth music nor listening to any goth bands. His aesthetic doesn't fit his music at all. And he can dress like that if he wants but he should stop calling himself goth.
Also, new IBF video.
No. 780233
>>780219Months of absence, and her first "real" video is another haul. Nothing has changed. "I'm so sowwy, I'll make it up to you! Quality content on the way I swear!" was bullshit. Not even an attempt to pretend she's making changes for the better.
Yes she's in a tough situation, but she had time to buy more junk and make a pointless haul, she could've made something with more substance in that time. Like her old stuff when she wasn't a sell out.
No. 780234
>>780202Exactly. They kicked her out because of the divorce. It's not like you get citizenship as soon as you get married, it takes years due to people abusing the system. Yes Germany has very lax laws for refugees but someone like IBF is in a totally different boat. They were only married for a very short time and this is a red flag to the government.
>>780219So she's back in Germany already?? Going to Belgium and going gaga over tomato shaped skin care products instead of packing up her place. She has so much stuff I honestly can't believe she's seemingly not done anything.
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>>780234Yep the bg is her Germany flat. She probably filmed the apology right before leaving NZ. But if she's gone to Germany, presumably to pack, why is she also making videos now? Won't that slow her down?
And you'd think she actually took that long break to pack, and she's back on YT cos she finished. Nope. She hasn't been in Germany after the gov kicked her out, until now. So what was that long break for? Going on holiday to Belgium and buying beauty products apparently.
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Wtf is going on i this thread?
Calm your tits down, she’s not back. The amount of pure autism going on lately needs to stop.
No. 780248
>>780219 keywords":["beauty","makeup","skincare","skin care","pale skin","skin lightening","brightening","korean","make up","goth","gothic","alternative","punk","halloween","cosplay","similar to","jeffree star","bhad bhabie","copycat beauty","drugstore makeup","walmart makeup","nikkietutorials","copycat makeup","revolution","nyx","lipstick","foundation","pale","grav3yardgirl","safiya nygaard","asmr","talking","ladylike","buzzfeed","winter","spring","fall","milia","pimples","acne","chemical peel","review","test","try","new this week","2019","detox"],
No. 780255
>>780247It’s posted on Facebook and Twitter.
What rock do you live under?
There’s also no point in posting something and then spewing utter bullshit and have a tantrum with no proof to back it up. The whole supposed point of this form is to back your bs up with proof. You had none and sperged like a dumb cunt for attention. Get your shit right first then have your hissy fit
No. 780262
>>780248>Korean, jeffree star, bhad bhabie, walmart, nikkietutorials, grav3yardgirl, safiya nygaard, buzzfeedLmao. It used to be Eugenia Cooney, social repose, and even Ogreg who's openly made fun of her before. Whatever's trending, whatever gets you those views right IBF? Btw you missed a few, like Shane Dawson.
>>780255You're both having a hissy fit at this point get over it, we now know it's pre recorded.
No. 780351
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Bishop the barcroft girl made a goth tag video and some of the comments…
>mcr is goff rite
>u don't have to like music to be goth, my queens TT and IBF told me so
No. 780393
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'How to look Goth without your parents getting upset'
https://www.wikihow.com/Look-Gothic-Without-Your-Parents-Getting-UpsetI know, it's Off Topic, but I think it's kinda funny. Especially the IBF Lookalike girl.
No. 780436
>>780356>Likes the music, but is yet another YTer who believes you don't have to and can just call yourself goth.Usually it's not that deep, and bishop says she likes laughing at herself, which is all cool. But can we can all agree you've got to like a bit of the music to be goth? Comments like
>>780351 show popular alt YTers are confusing newer people. Lowkey snowy lowther flash backs.
There's a difference between omg elitism!! and keeping a music based subculture alive, surely. It's a lot more about material things now. Yeah it's a sign of the times but that's not a great thing. You see this stuff less with eg punk.
No. 780503
>>780440 A "goth" youtuber who sells wallets and purses and also has a bald husband, who wears metal band t's= Avelina. That has connections to an infamous goth youtuber= IBF, as Avelina sells products in collab with her.
The poster actually describes the wallet as having a bat wing design and a red interior, so it's the wallet IBF collabed with Avelina's brand.
What I find more interesting is Avelina deeming a client "not goth enough, more of a metal person" when she herself is not goth at all, even singing in a (bad)metal band. This bitch has no grasp of reality.
>>780441I fucking hate Avelina and I really can't understand what the poster would gain by making this story up but yeah, sounds like bullshit to me too. But why create this little story?
No. 780524
>>780351Luckily these are children commenting I hope she doesn't try to mentor them. I don't remember IBF saying you don't have to listen to the music to be goth, she even made a whole blog post for different bands so people can get into the music. I do remember Drac saying you just have to know bands to avoid being called a poseur, in one of her IG posts she said she rarely ever listens to goth music. Bishop is into emo music and trap.
Honestly, I don't get these fake goffs whining about you don't have to like the music. Listening to and liking the music is the bare minimum.
>>780418It's not really milky, just cringe worthy if anything.
>>780436If she truly liked the music and knows it's a music-based subculture she wouldn't be pushing the whole "u don't have to like the music guiz" bs, if anything it's just telling us she doesn't care for it. I don't think she'll become a snowy seeing as snowy is a full blown normie now, Bish0p is another Raven, meaning she's just into generic alt stuff and probably thinks anything black = goff.
>>780219Dumb. Freyja is going to lose subscribers, that goff kween title isn't going to last for long if she keeps putting out hauls and apology videos.
>>780093Yes that's the movie, I think it's going to turn into some kind of cult film and we'll suddenly have new "black metal" bands popping up everywhere.
No. 780538
>>780219" I have bumps on my skin that people on the internet like to point out" in IBF new video
confirmed lurking?
I mean she sleeps in her makeup..
No. 780545
>>780528Is this some new dumb internet thing, or does he mean gothic? He isn't gothic either lmao. Why do they want to be goth so badly? Really getting the vibe these people don't fit in anywhere so they try very hard to cling onto certain groups when it's very obvious they wouldn't fit in there either. What happened to just being weird, or just saying you're alternative or darkly inclined?
>>780544Oof, this was recommended to me too but I was too scared to watch it lmao
No. 780557
>>780544Okay, watched it and I agree. IBF is getting sponsored tho, no doubt about it. Who really buys loads of clothes exclusively from one brand and records 20 minute "videos" (advertisements) of said clothes. She's getting free clothes and is probably getting paid. It's sad she and Kaya started this goff is a look thing, you have kids who genuinely love the music and the history but feel like they can't be goth because they don't own 100 items from Killstar and DollsKill and PunkRave. Doesn't make it better that IBF's rabid fans attack people who don't look like they crawled out of Freyja's womb "you r not goff cuz ur skin isn't white and u aren't wearing Killstar, where is your big hair?!".
>>780554She's always running to Freyja's defense and spilling all of her business in YouTube comments and Facebook posts. Remember her and Matthias' (how do you spell that guys' name) breakup?
No. 780576
>>780544What is he talking about at the end about refugees and IBF being racist? Did IBF say something about refugees that I missed?
>>780554IBFs mum is attacking Jake? What did he do?
No. 780639
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https://twitter.com/x_ToxicTears/status/1099139803969474561?s=19TT did something about the Attic. Looks just as put together as her outfits.
No. 780656
>>780644It is an odd term, but I think it can be otherwise be worded as
>I'm not goth, I just like dark shitretaining its meaning without sounding pretentious and without ruffling anyone's feathers over misuse of labels.
No. 780734
>>780645You sound young, please don't watch idiots like TT and IBF there are a lot of goths who don't dress OTT or to the 9s everyday. Look at some videos of goth festivals/events you will see a lot of people who've been goth for a very long time and they've always worn just a black tank top and long black skirt/pants with black shoes and maybe even a choker.
>>780644The people who use the term darkly inclined are not punk goth or gothic, so I don't see why they would use those terms to describe themselves. Do we have a new thread yet? pls link.
No. 780735
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What is this cryptic shit, or is it just my device being weird?
No. 780775
>>780341Yeah I mean, I would forgive it if she stuck to relevant tags related to the video but "Shane Dawson", "Jeffree Star", "Buzzfeed", "Grav3tardgirl" etc. WTF does this have to do with skincare? lol
>>780351Please commence ironic REEEEEEEEEING lol
Sorry joking but seriously, as soon as I saw her Goth tag video pop up, I knew it was going to be bullshit both with her and the fans who comment on it. I haven't watched it and now I'm even more scared to for fear I'm going to get beyond annoyed with it.
>Black Parade was so Goth?HOW THE FUCK DOES IT? Does this chick not know what goth music fucking sounds like? Holy shit the ignorance. FYI, wearing black and singing about depressing shit doesn't make it Goth, Ugh…
>>780393Are they freaking serious? lol
>>780436Honestly if you don't really care for the music and only find yourself listening to like one or two Goth bands, I still don't think that makes you Goth. I mean could you imagine in he metal subculture where a person calls themselves a Metalhead just because they like Slipknot and Iron Maiden but don't bother listening to other Metal bands because it just isn't their cup of tea and prefer listening and really getting into other types of music yet they still want to call themselves a Metalhead? It's really the same for Goth and I still will never understand why Goth is literally the only music-based subculture that gets this.
And that commenter shot herself/himself in the foot even mentioning TT as an example of a Goth who said that, bitch has no credibility when it comes to Goth smh.
>>780386Yeah it's reference to Avelina I'm sure which is hilarious because the bitch isn't even Goth anyway. Just another Metalhead clinging to the Goth label because she likes to look dark and spooky, total GOFF.
>>780443She did say that, she said that in one of her old Q&As I think. Something about how she's afraid to be found dead in her sleep whilst not wearing makeup or something like that.
>>780524Exactly. You just know for a fact that these people would get pissed if "normies" started calling themselves Emo because they like like 2 Emo bands or just liked to look emo without listening to the music. They would be up and arms about that so the fact they get pissy when us Goths stand up for our subculture is just.. lol.
>If she truly liked the music and knows it's a music-based subculture she wouldn't be pushing the whole "u don't have to like the music guiz" bs, if anything it's just telling us she doesn't care for it. I don't think she'll become a snowy seeing as snowy is a full blown normie now, Bish0p is another Raven, meaning she's just into generic alt stuff and probably thinks anything black = goff. Did Bishop even name any Goth bands that she likes? Or did she just say "I like the music" not even expanding a bit on it? Not even the kind of subgenre she may like (Darkwave? Deathrock? Post Punk?). I'm sorry but when people like this say they like Goth music but don't expand on it, I don't really believe them.
>>780535It's not only that but he does know that Gothic has certain criteria as well right? Does he enjoy Gothic literature? Gothic Art? (Actual Gothic art, not dark macabre art as Gothic art is quite specific)? I kind of doubt it to be honest but hey, maybe he's into this stuff. We'll see lol.
>>780544Yeah I saw the video. It was a little long tbh but it was nice to see someone call her out on her nonsense.
>>780545IKR? Why the heck can these people just accept that they can like dark things while not being Goth or Gothic? These two things have specific criteria that makes them what they are. Just be Alternative. Be Darkly-Inclined. It's no big deal, just stop calling yourself something you're obviously not.
>>780557Pretty much. Goth is actually in a better place musically than it was 10-15 years ago because thanks to YouTube, Bandcamp, etc , Goth music is very accessible to anyone but yet even though it's accesible, people have bought into the ignorant "Goth is a fashion" thing because of dolts like IBF & TT.
No. 780782
>>780644"Darkly-Inclined" was more of a 2000s term. When Goth got misappropriated by the mainstream media when they were saying things like "Goth is a mindset" or "Goth is a fashion" and stuff like that, people started coming out and saying these people were not Goth but "Dark" or "Darkly-Inclined". If you've never heard the term, it's no surprise but
>>780647 is right that it is a good term for alternative people who like dark things but don't listen to Goth music. Ready to Glare is easily a good example of this and as a Goth, I'm grateful because she could've easily falsely called herself a Goth and people would eat it up and use her as an example that you don't need to listen to Goth music to be Goth.
>>780645I mean you would still count as a Goth if you actually genuinely like the actual music (not being Metal or Industrial because these genres are not Goth. You can like them of course but if this is what you consider Goth music, it's not).
It really doesn't matter how you dress, wear what you want dear and don't listen to It's Black Friday and especially
Toxic Tears (Just letting you know, she's not a Goth anyway). No one in real life dresses like they do every single day of their lives. The only reason they dress that way every day is because they don't have a job or go to school or have any other time-based obligations. So try not to sweat it. Wear what you like and have a good time listening and learning more about the music.
No. 780817
>>780775>Did Bishop even name any Goth bands that she likes?She said bauhaus and joy division, but followed with "you don't have to like it, if you think you're goth then you are."
>>780788>constant ranting about what is and isn't gothAt least it's not in-fighting like the early threads. Now more like ranting about the cows' goth cred.
Agree about skullgirdle, she has some pretty informative stuff. All the smaller alt YTers do, really, and no sell-out shilling either. Sadly that's why they're small.
No. 780855
>>780807I agree, SkullGirdle is probably one of the better Goth channels that came out in new age of Alternative YouTube. It's a shame she doesn't upload more but I understand it's because she has a job and life outside YouTube so it just makes it all the more cool when she does find the time to upload a new informative video.
>>780817"If you think you're goth then you are."
LOL Whatever you say dear, whatever you say.
>Agree about skullgirdle, she has some pretty informative stuff. All the smaller alt YTers do, really, and no sell-out shilling either. Sadly that's why they're small.I think the fact that these smaller alternative youtubers still stick around making actual worthwhile or informative content despite not getting a fraction of the views shillers like IBF & TT get just shows that they genuinely care about the subcultures they want to talk about and that alone puts most of hem above any crap haul channel.